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	<title>Comments on: Callaway and Titleist&#8217;s Legal Battle, Round 38</title>
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		<title>By: Random Notes and Giving Thanks &#124; The Sand Trap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Notes and Giving Thanks &#124; The Sand Trap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wars Erik alluded to the Titleist vs. Callaway ball kerfuffle a couple of weeks ago and now you can read what Bomb [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you play ALOT of golf, like Erik-level golf, I don&#039;t think you&#039;d be able to tell the ProV1 from the Callaway HX line or the top of the Bridgestone or Srixon lines, either, for that matter, if you were to do a truly blind play test (which is impossible, because the dimple patterns differ...but if you could do it, I doubt 90% of us could tell the difference).  

These lawsuits to me seem silly because any special advantage a company might claim to have protected by a patent can&#039;t really be that significant, since the performance of all these golf balls is so similar.  I know they&#039;re not silly, they&#039;re actually very serious from a legal and business standpoint, but in some ways it&#039;s arguing how many angels can dance on the tip of a tee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you play ALOT of golf, like Erik-level golf, I don't think you'd be able to tell the ProV1 from the Callaway HX line or the top of the Bridgestone or Srixon lines, either, for that matter, if you were to do a truly blind play test (which is impossible, because the dimple patterns differ...but if you could do it, I doubt 90% of us could tell the difference).  </p>
<p>These lawsuits to me seem silly because any special advantage a company might claim to have protected by a patent can't really be that significant, since the performance of all these golf balls is so similar.  I know they're not silly, they're actually very serious from a legal and business standpoint, but in some ways it's arguing how many angels can dance on the tip of a tee.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Titleist has posted an &lt;a href=&quot;http://titleist.com/news/newsdetail.asp?id=666&quot;&gt;FAQ&lt;/a&gt; that answers any remaining questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Titleist has posted an <a  href="http://titleist.com/news/newsdetail.asp?id=666" class="external external_icon">FAQ</a> that answers any remaining questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernest Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernest Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But we speak the same language!   :smile: 

You have brought up a very interesting twist to this, Erik.  Where does this ruling apply?

Thank you for your input and feedback...Greatly appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But we speak the same language!   <img src='http://thesandtrap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>You have brought up a very interesting twist to this, Erik.  Where does this ruling apply?</p>
<p>Thank you for your input and feedback...Greatly appreciated!</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/equipment/balls/callaway_and_titleists_legal_battle_round_38#comment-14135</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;14134&quot;]According to Golf Town in Canada[/quote]

This ruling applies to the U.S. only. Last I checked, we hadn&#039;t taken over Canada. :-D

[quote comment=&quot;14134&quot;]All Acushnet has done is to declare a statement of dissatisfaction over a ruling, which the last I checked, is not an actual appeal itself.[/quote]

I would imagine that if they said they&#039;ve filed or intend to file an appeal, they will. I would also guess that a significant portion of their appeal is based on the fact that the patents were ruled invalid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quote_header"><a  href="http://thesandtrap.com/equipment/balls/callaway_and_titleists_legal_battle_round_38#comment-14134">Ernest Reed said</a> on November 14, 2008:</p>
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According to Golf Town in Canada</p>
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<p>This ruling applies to the U.S. only. Last I checked, we hadn't taken over Canada. <img src='http://thesandtrap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p class="quote_header"><a  href="http://thesandtrap.com/equipment/balls/callaway_and_titleists_legal_battle_round_38#comment-14134">Ernest Reed said</a> on November 14, 2008:</p>
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All Acushnet has done is to declare a statement of dissatisfaction over a ruling, which the last I checked, is not an actual appeal itself.</p>
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<p>I would imagine that if they said they've filed or intend to file an appeal, they will. I would also guess that a significant portion of their appeal is based on the fact that the patents were ruled invalid.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernest Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernest Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Golf Town in Canada, they are still stocking and selling supply from early 2008.  Until told otherwise, their intent is to continue to sell the current stock until it either is completely sold or told by Acushnet to stop selling it.  To that end, Acushnet must instruct them accordingly before this date.  That is what I have been told by them (inside connections and having worked in the retail sector for over 20 years).

In response to your statement &quot;I don&#039;t believe a retailer is barred from selling product even if it&#039;s from March&quot;.  Actually, they must abide by any rulings from the courts that are considered final and resultant of a case that is closed.  Failure to comply, either on their own or through instruction of the offending party, will result in legal and criminal penalties.

My questions to you were related to a &quot;pending&quot; appeal from Acushnet.  A court order has been released in favour of Callaway Golf.  Only an accepted appeal on behalf of Acushnet can prevent the declared date of cessation of sales from taking place.  All Acushnet has done is to declare a statement of dissatisfaction over a ruling, which the last I checked, is not an actual appeal itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Golf Town in Canada, they are still stocking and selling supply from early 2008.  Until told otherwise, their intent is to continue to sell the current stock until it either is completely sold or told by Acushnet to stop selling it.  To that end, Acushnet must instruct them accordingly before this date.  That is what I have been told by them (inside connections and having worked in the retail sector for over 20 years).</p>
<p>In response to your statement "I don't believe a retailer is barred from selling product even if it's from March".  Actually, they must abide by any rulings from the courts that are considered final and resultant of a case that is closed.  Failure to comply, either on their own or through instruction of the offending party, will result in legal and criminal penalties.</p>
<p>My questions to you were related to a "pending" appeal from Acushnet.  A court order has been released in favour of Callaway Golf.  Only an accepted appeal on behalf of Acushnet can prevent the declared date of cessation of sales from taking place.  All Acushnet has done is to declare a statement of dissatisfaction over a ruling, which the last I checked, is not an actual appeal itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, probably not, Ernest. Most of the balls in stores now are probably balls that were made in September or later. Supply chains are pretty efficient these days. Read the second paragraph in Titleist&#039;s statement.

Also, I don&#039;t believe a retailer is barred from selling product even if it&#039;s from March. The injunction, if I understand correctly, simply bars Titleist from selling the balls.

IANAL and all that, but that&#039;s how I read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, probably not, Ernest. Most of the balls in stores now are probably balls that were made in September or later. Supply chains are pretty efficient these days. Read the second paragraph in Titleist's statement.</p>
<p>Also, I don't believe a retailer is barred from selling product even if it's from March. The injunction, if I understand correctly, simply bars Titleist from selling the balls.</p>
<p>IANAL and all that, but that's how I read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernest Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernest Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik, I assume that the sale of Current Pro V1s will be available in shops from now through the end of the year and beyond, is a direct result of a pending appeal from Acushnet that permits it as such?  We do know that Callaway has requested a &quot;stop&quot; on any sales of the current edition beyond December 31st.  Would this be a fair assumption on my part to make?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik, I assume that the sale of Current Pro V1s will be available in shops from now through the end of the year and beyond, is a direct result of a pending appeal from Acushnet that permits it as such?  We do know that Callaway has requested a "stop" on any sales of the current edition beyond December 31st.  Would this be a fair assumption on my part to make?</p>
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		<title>By: Trav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that there can be 650 active patents for golf balls - by one company, no less - with 65 for one specifc ball, is mind boggling.

Think about the statement that the new balls show &quot;no discernible difference in performance&quot; and ask yourself why such energy (and of course, expense that is passed on to customers) is devoted to incremental new patents for the most minute of changes with no discernible change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that there can be 650 active patents for golf balls - by one company, no less - with 65 for one specifc ball, is mind boggling.</p>
<p>Think about the statement that the new balls show "no discernible difference in performance" and ask yourself why such energy (and of course, expense that is passed on to customers) is devoted to incremental new patents for the most minute of changes with no discernible change.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ernest, just a small clarification.

The current Pro V1 and Pro V1x golf balls are still conforming and will continue to be allowed to be played beyond January 1, 2009. They are not &quot;banned&quot; for play. Titleist just can&#039;t ship or sell them.

It is also important to note that there will not be a disruption in the sale of Pro V1s. Current Pro V1s will be available in shops from now through the end of the year and beyond. Additionally, as noted in paragraph two of Titleist&#039;s response, they have &quot;converted&quot; the current Pro V1 and there is no discernible performance or quality difference. Those balls will be available in shops until the new 2009 Pro V1 and Pro V1x are available in the first quarter of 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ernest, just a small clarification.</p>
<p>The current Pro V1 and Pro V1x golf balls are still conforming and will continue to be allowed to be played beyond January 1, 2009. They are not "banned" for play. Titleist just can't ship or sell them.</p>
<p>It is also important to note that there will not be a disruption in the sale of Pro V1s. Current Pro V1s will be available in shops from now through the end of the year and beyond. Additionally, as noted in paragraph two of Titleist's response, they have "converted" the current Pro V1 and there is no discernible performance or quality difference. Those balls will be available in shops until the new 2009 Pro V1 and Pro V1x are available in the first quarter of 2009.</p>
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