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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/bag_drop/knowing_your_distance_part_two#comment-11044</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having purchased my sky caddy early on, I suffered through the growing pains from having the unit quit on me twice.  Both times I sent the unit back to the manufacturer without much problem and they turned them around both times within a week.  I guess they finally got the bugs worked out because the unit has been performing pretty much without a glitch now for two years.  While playing a round of golf during some very cold weather this winter, the cold affected the unit to the point where it would stop working.  And I simply put in my pocket, warmed up with my hands and within a hole or to the unit began to function properly.  So I guess those things are pretty sensitive to the low temperatures.

I have found the sky caddy to be fairly accurate, certainly accurate enough for my game.  I have a Bushnell laser range finder as well, and have compared measurements, and found them to be usually within a yard of each other.  Such as distances the traps, and other things I could measure with a laser that were part of this Guy Candy database for the course.  I use a sky caddy for most measurements; front, middle and back of the green yardages are real helpful.

The laser unit is used to get those yardages less than 150 yards.  I am unable to hold the unit steady enough to work effectively and quickly for yardages over 150.

So the up shot is, I use them both.  Even at the most familiar tracks.  I guess I could live without the laser, but the sky caddy, I can't do without.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having purchased my sky caddy early on, I suffered through the growing pains from having the unit quit on me twice.  Both times I sent the unit back to the manufacturer without much problem and they turned them around both times within a week.  I guess they finally got the bugs worked out because the unit has been performing pretty much without a glitch now for two years.  While playing a round of golf during some very cold weather this winter, the cold affected the unit to the point where it would stop working.  And I simply put in my pocket, warmed up with my hands and within a hole or to the unit began to function properly.  So I guess those things are pretty sensitive to the low temperatures.</p>
<p>I have found the sky caddy to be fairly accurate, certainly accurate enough for my game.  I have a Bushnell laser range finder as well, and have compared measurements, and found them to be usually within a yard of each other.  Such as distances the traps, and other things I could measure with a laser that were part of this Guy Candy database for the course.  I use a sky caddy for most measurements; front, middle and back of the green yardages are real helpful.</p>
<p>The laser unit is used to get those yardages less than 150 yards.  I am unable to hold the unit steady enough to work effectively and quickly for yardages over 150.</p>
<p>So the up shot is, I use them both.  Even at the most familiar tracks.  I guess I could live without the laser, but the sky caddy, I can't do without.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Palmquist</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/bag_drop/knowing_your_distance_part_two#comment-10752</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Palmquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 21:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="10750"]Great review, first of all.  I have been debating between laser and GPS for about a year now and have never pulled the trigger, so this is all great information for me.

Great points on being able to use the laser on the range; that would be very helpful at my range.

For those who have the Garmin, can you use it as a regular GPS device driving around as well?  If not, is there a product like this with the dual functionality?[/quote]

It is specific to golf and I haven't heard of one that would do both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quote_header"><a href="http://thesandtrap.com/columns/bag_drop/knowing_your_distance_part_two#comment-10750">gortyl said</a> on May 3, 2008:</p>
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Great review, first of all.  I have been debating between laser and GPS for about a year now and have never pulled the trigger, so this is all great information for me.</p>
<p>Great points on being able to use the laser on the range; that would be very helpful at my range.</p>
<p>For those who have the Garmin, can you use it as a regular GPS device driving around as well?  If not, is there a product like this with the dual functionality?</p>
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<p>It is specific to golf and I haven't heard of one that would do both.</p>
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		<title>By: gortyl</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/bag_drop/knowing_your_distance_part_two#comment-10751</link>
		<dc:creator>gortyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 21:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, now that I reflect on this a bit, my search for information between laser and GPS actually led my to thesandtrap.com!  I googled laser vs. GPS and a thread from this forum popped up last year and I've been a regular ever since.  Funny stuff!  But thanks again for the information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, now that I reflect on this a bit, my search for information between laser and GPS actually led my to thesandtrap.com!  I googled laser vs. GPS and a thread from this forum popped up last year and I've been a regular ever since.  Funny stuff!  But thanks again for the information.</p>
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		<title>By: gortyl</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/bag_drop/knowing_your_distance_part_two#comment-10750</link>
		<dc:creator>gortyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 21:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review, first of all.  I have been debating between laser and GPS for about a year now and have never pulled the trigger, so this is all great information for me.

Great points on being able to use the laser on the range; that would be very helpful at my range.

For those who have the Garmin, can you use it as a regular GPS device driving around as well?  If not, is there a product like this with the dual functionality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review, first of all.  I have been debating between laser and GPS for about a year now and have never pulled the trigger, so this is all great information for me.</p>
<p>Great points on being able to use the laser on the range; that would be very helpful at my range.</p>
<p>For those who have the Garmin, can you use it as a regular GPS device driving around as well?  If not, is there a product like this with the dual functionality?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/bag_drop/knowing_your_distance_part_two#comment-10747</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 11:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've got a SureShot GPS and have been very happy with it.  I've input a couple of courses on my own and have updated some courses that they already had in their database.  

I'm going to disagree with JP a little bit.  I'm an 18 hcp right now and the gps/rangefinder is extremely helpful at my level.  I'm not always in the fairway or just off of it, so yardages can be hard to calculate, even when playing a fairly open course where being 1 fairway over isn't that much of a penalty!

My gps battery was dead a couple of weeks ago (I didn't realize it until I got to the course), and it threw me off for a couple of holes.  I'd forgotten where the yardage markers were on a course that I've played every week for 2 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've got a SureShot GPS and have been very happy with it.  I've input a couple of courses on my own and have updated some courses that they already had in their database.  </p>
<p>I'm going to disagree with JP a little bit.  I'm an 18 hcp right now and the gps/rangefinder is extremely helpful at my level.  I'm not always in the fairway or just off of it, so yardages can be hard to calculate, even when playing a fairly open course where being 1 fairway over isn't that much of a penalty!</p>
<p>My gps battery was dead a couple of weeks ago (I didn't realize it until I got to the course), and it threw me off for a couple of holes.  I'd forgotten where the yardage markers were on a course that I've played every week for 2 years.</p>
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		<title>By: David McCormack</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/bag_drop/knowing_your_distance_part_two#comment-10746</link>
		<dc:creator>David McCormack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 01:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also vote for the Garmin device (golflogix). Works great, waterproof, shockresistant, and very simple. Started with the V7 (green case) and upgraded to the V8(black case). Shows green yardages, hazards, and distance of last shot and thats it, and thats enuf! Holds 20 courses, with 15k on file, what else you need. Asked them to map a course for me and done in 2 days. Asked them to remap a course for me and done in 1 day. Its a rock solid device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also vote for the Garmin device (golflogix). Works great, waterproof, shockresistant, and very simple. Started with the V7 (green case) and upgraded to the V8(black case). Shows green yardages, hazards, and distance of last shot and thats it, and thats enuf! Holds 20 courses, with 15k on file, what else you need. Asked them to map a course for me and done in 2 days. Asked them to remap a course for me and done in 1 day. Its a rock solid device.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Palmquist</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/bag_drop/knowing_your_distance_part_two#comment-10730</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Palmquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a golflogix (Garmin), the first version (7, I believe) and it is very good.  It works with a Mac, you can get the information for a golf course within a couple weeks (I have done this with 2 small courses in northern Michigan), and the information is very accurate with the courses I have played so far.  They have a new version (8) out which is cheaper (I bought high, duh), $300 and gives a little more information, but the one I have gives everything I needed on the courses I played.  I also bought a rangefinder (I know, but I'm a nut), and it works, but I find it less convenient than the GPS, and sometimes, not as accurate, depending on how steady you can hold it.  Will be great for hunting, though.

Check out the golflogix out if you live in a place that doesn't have courses listed in Golf Digest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a golflogix (Garmin), the first version (7, I believe) and it is very good.  It works with a Mac, you can get the information for a golf course within a couple weeks (I have done this with 2 small courses in northern Michigan), and the information is very accurate with the courses I have played so far.  They have a new version (8) out which is cheaper (I bought high, duh), $300 and gives a little more information, but the one I have gives everything I needed on the courses I played.  I also bought a rangefinder (I know, but I'm a nut), and it works, but I find it less convenient than the GPS, and sometimes, not as accurate, depending on how steady you can hold it.  Will be great for hunting, though.</p>
<p>Check out the golflogix out if you live in a place that doesn't have courses listed in Golf Digest.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/bag_drop/knowing_your_distance_part_two#comment-10705</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="10687"]According to their web site, they already work with Mac OS X (I can't remember if it was in their Product or Support FAQ).  Check the availability of your courses in their course finder.  A lot of mine are coming in June.[/quote]

Thanks yes, I contacted them and the sales person wrote back to say OS X is already supported.  Now I am trying to determine which courses my area have maps ready to use.  I gave them a list of the 25 courses we play regularly.  We tend to play 50 times a year.  I just play the Tampa courses.  Need to play elsewhere in the country though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quote_header"><a href="http://thesandtrap.com/columns/bag_drop/knowing_your_distance_part_two#comment-10687">Matt M said</a> on April 29, 2008:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://thesandtrap.com/columns/bag_drop/knowing_your_distance_part_two#comment-10687"><p>
According to their web site, they already work with Mac OS X (I can't remember if it was in their Product or Support FAQ).  Check the availability of your courses in their course finder.  A lot of mine are coming in June.</p>
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<p>Thanks yes, I contacted them and the sales person wrote back to say OS X is already supported.  Now I am trying to determine which courses my area have maps ready to use.  I gave them a list of the 25 courses we play regularly.  We tend to play 50 times a year.  I just play the Tampa courses.  Need to play elsewhere in the country though.</p>
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		<title>By: JP Bouffard</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP Bouffard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can, my advice to people interested in some sort of rangefinder or GPS try to borrow one from someone for a few rounds.

I have a skycaddie, and although I was delighted with it at first, it was more a gadget thing than something that I felt really added to my game.

I know that's not what the marketing folks say who write copy for selling rangefinders, but practically speaking I don't know how important they really are to average golfers.

If you compete, or are a good player and want to do everything to be as good as you can, obviously having accurate yardages is extremely important--I'm not saying the concept is wrong, it's definitely right.

But as a recreational player, I don't think they're worth the money.

As for speeding up play, that's tough to judge.  On a course I know well, I know the yardages anyway, and the device either slows me down or doesn't change anything.  I guess if you were playing on an unfamiliar course, and you wanted exact yardages for all your shots, the rangefinder is much faster than looking around for sprinkler heads.  

Anyway, if you can, try before you buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can, my advice to people interested in some sort of rangefinder or GPS try to borrow one from someone for a few rounds.</p>
<p>I have a skycaddie, and although I was delighted with it at first, it was more a gadget thing than something that I felt really added to my game.</p>
<p>I know that's not what the marketing folks say who write copy for selling rangefinders, but practically speaking I don't know how important they really are to average golfers.</p>
<p>If you compete, or are a good player and want to do everything to be as good as you can, obviously having accurate yardages is extremely important--I'm not saying the concept is wrong, it's definitely right.</p>
<p>But as a recreational player, I don't think they're worth the money.</p>
<p>As for speeding up play, that's tough to judge.  On a course I know well, I know the yardages anyway, and the device either slows me down or doesn't change anything.  I guess if you were playing on an unfamiliar course, and you wanted exact yardages for all your shots, the rangefinder is much faster than looking around for sprinkler heads.  </p>
<p>Anyway, if you can, try before you buy.</p>
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		<title>By: Golf Nomad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golf Nomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own the SG3 and I had a problem where the internal software was outdated and wouldn't update.  I called SkyCaddie, 866-759-4653 Monday through Friday from 7am to 7pm CST or Saturday 7am to 4pm CST, and they were actually VERY HELPFUL and gave me an RMA# to send my SG3 back to have reprogrammed.

I still choose a GPS over rangefinder because the constant eye to target procedure becomes combersome after a few holes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own the SG3 and I had a problem where the internal software was outdated and wouldn't update.  I called SkyCaddie, 866-759-4653 Monday through Friday from 7am to 7pm CST or Saturday 7am to 4pm CST, and they were actually VERY HELPFUL and gave me an RMA# to send my SG3 back to have reprogrammed.</p>
<p>I still choose a GPS over rangefinder because the constant eye to target procedure becomes combersome after a few holes.</p>
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