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	<title>Comments on: Fairways and Greens? Not Exactly!</title>
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		<title>By: Old School Bomb and Gouge &#124; The Sand Trap</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/the_numbers_game/fairways_and_greens_not_exactly#comment-1401</link>
		<dc:creator>Old School Bomb and Gouge &#124; The Sand Trap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quote on hitting driver and wedge&#8230; but who is it from?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quote on hitting driver and wedge&hellip; but who is it from?</p>
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		<title>By: Top 30 - In Numbers &#124; The Sand Trap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top 30 - In Numbers &#124; The Sand Trap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The top 30 golfers on tour this year have fit right into the mold of previous findings and research.  Greens in Regulation continues to be the leading factor in earnings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The top 30 golfers on tour this year have fit right into the mold of previous findings and research.  Greens in Regulation continues to be the leading factor in earnings.</p>
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		<title>By: The PGA Championship &#124; The Sand Trap</title>
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		<dc:creator>The PGA Championship &#124; The Sand Trap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baltusrol is being called a beast this year. According to the numbers, Tiger should be able to tame it and win this year's PGA but there are a few other golfers that could make a run at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baltusrol is being called a beast this year. According to the numbers, Tiger should be able to tame it and win this year's PGA but there are a few other golfers that could make a run at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 05:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your assessments.



Obviously GIR is going to be a better representation of low scoring than driving (DA) is. Driving is one shot removed from getting the ball in the cup from the GIR stroke. That's one more shot to screw up (the approach shot). That doesn't mean that the accurate drive was less useful of a skill to have in scoring low. It may just mean that it's damn hard, even for pros, to get two shots in a row (drive and then approach) perfectly executed on the golf course.



I'm certainly agreeing with you about GIR. It is a MUST to be on the green in regulation when you play in the PGA. When I play, on the other hand, it's a bonus.



Maybe an analysis of course conditions would be in order. It has been opined in a couple of articles here (yeah, somebody really reads those) that short grass, big bounces, and long rolls have more to do with driving distances. Are there any stats out there that measure that sort of thing for tour courses. I know that stimp meters measure the greens, but is there anything similar for the fairways? That would be an interesting analysis when compared to driving distance and scoring average.



Another thing to think about is the ability for a player to save a bad tee shot with their next approach. The players that score low and win a lot are the ones that can make the great up and down saves, regardless of driving accuracy. Because of this, they may not have to worry quite so much with accuracy and can go long if needed (see Tiger). The up and down saves statistic may be as good of an identifier of play as GIR.



Additionally, the best identifier of a winner is probably just the simple "putts per round." But I could be wrong.</description>
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<p>Obviously GIR is going to be a better representation of low scoring than driving (DA) is. Driving is one shot removed from getting the ball in the cup from the GIR stroke. That's one more shot to screw up (the approach shot). That doesn't mean that the accurate drive was less useful of a skill to have in scoring low. It may just mean that it's damn hard, even for pros, to get two shots in a row (drive and then approach) perfectly executed on the golf course.</p>
<p>I'm certainly agreeing with you about GIR. It is a MUST to be on the green in regulation when you play in the PGA. When I play, on the other hand, it's a bonus.</p>
<p>Maybe an analysis of course conditions would be in order. It has been opined in a couple of articles here (yeah, somebody really reads those) that short grass, big bounces, and long rolls have more to do with driving distances. Are there any stats out there that measure that sort of thing for tour courses. I know that stimp meters measure the greens, but is there anything similar for the fairways? That would be an interesting analysis when compared to driving distance and scoring average.</p>
<p>Another thing to think about is the ability for a player to save a bad tee shot with their next approach. The players that score low and win a lot are the ones that can make the great up and down saves, regardless of driving accuracy. Because of this, they may not have to worry quite so much with accuracy and can go long if needed (see Tiger). The up and down saves statistic may be as good of an identifier of play as GIR.</p>
<p>Additionally, the best identifier of a winner is probably just the simple "putts per round." But I could be wrong.</p>
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