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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will The Numbers Game 40-30-20-10 rule data be available for the WGC-CA this week at Doral?  If so, can you please direct me to the web location or link?  I would do it myself but I don't know how to automatically get the data for all players in the field.  I would love to apply this formula to my draft in the WGC.  Let me know.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will The Numbers Game 40-30-20-10 rule data be available for the WGC-CA this week at Doral?  If so, can you please direct me to the web location or link?  I would do it myself but I don't know how to automatically get the data for all players in the field.  I would love to apply this formula to my draft in the WGC.  Let me know.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Greenwald</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/the_numbers_game/reformulating_a_formulated_formula#comment-4658</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Greenwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One suggestion to the formula would be to adjust the player's ratings for how they have performed at that particular course over the years.

You could take their season's stats (last 52 weeks would be better than just last 2 months) as 50% of their number + last 5 years playing at that course as another 50% of the numerator and then apply your divisor to see what the predictions would be.

I would bet KJ Choi would move further up as an example, because he has done well at Tampa. 

I made these factors up on the fly, but you can analyze this to calc a better number.

I think Vegas odds are usually meaner than they should be for most players.  I picked Furyk to win the US Open a few years ago when he did, and it only paid out 30 to 1.   In hindsight, it was a good bet, but I would bet that people aren't making a living on golf bets, except when Tiger gets going on a roll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One suggestion to the formula would be to adjust the player's ratings for how they have performed at that particular course over the years.</p>
<p>You could take their season's stats (last 52 weeks would be better than just last 2 months) as 50% of their number + last 5 years playing at that course as another 50% of the numerator and then apply your divisor to see what the predictions would be.</p>
<p>I would bet KJ Choi would move further up as an example, because he has done well at Tampa. </p>
<p>I made these factors up on the fly, but you can analyze this to calc a better number.</p>
<p>I think Vegas odds are usually meaner than they should be for most players.  I picked Furyk to win the US Open a few years ago when he did, and it only paid out 30 to 1.   In hindsight, it was a good bet, but I would bet that people aren't making a living on golf bets, except when Tiger gets going on a roll.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="4633"]Can you do this for every tourney so I can us it for the golf challenge I participate in?  Thanks![/quote]

And good for you: starting next week, &lt;em&gt;The Numbers Game&lt;/em&gt; will run on Tuesdays, not Thursdays. So it &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; work. But c'mon, the formula is easy enough. Go ahead and run it yourself, Lazy Bones. :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quote_header"><a href="http://thesandtrap.com/columns/the_numbers_game/reformulating_a_formulated_formula#comment-4633">David said</a> on March 8, 2007:</p>
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Can you do this for every tourney so I can us it for the golf challenge I participate in?  Thanks!</p>
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<p>And good for you: starting next week, <em>The Numbers Game</em> will run on Tuesdays, not Thursdays. So it <em>could</em> work. But c'mon, the formula is easy enough. Go ahead and run it yourself, Lazy Bones. <img src='http://thesandtrap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you do this for every tourney so I can us it for the golf challenge I participate in?  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you do this for every tourney so I can us it for the golf challenge I participate in?  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Waddell</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/the_numbers_game/reformulating_a_formulated_formula#comment-4631</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Waddell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of have to agree with Erik that this seems a bit of a stretch. Should be interesting though, to see how close your predictions come to the final outcome.

The waxing and waning of a pro's performance week to week seems to me to be statistically confounding. That's one of the reasons I'm not sure season wins is an appropriate component of any predictive formula.

Had I the brains or time to try to come up with a predictor I would probably want to factor past performance at the specific golf course in question along with performance in the last one or two events.

Of course, were any method possible, it would have been discovered by now and nobody in Vegas would be making book on golf tournaments! :razz:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of have to agree with Erik that this seems a bit of a stretch. Should be interesting though, to see how close your predictions come to the final outcome.</p>
<p>The waxing and waning of a pro's performance week to week seems to me to be statistically confounding. That's one of the reasons I'm not sure season wins is an appropriate component of any predictive formula.</p>
<p>Had I the brains or time to try to come up with a predictor I would probably want to factor past performance at the specific golf course in question along with performance in the last one or two events.</p>
<p>Of course, were any method possible, it would have been discovered by now and nobody in Vegas would be making book on golf tournaments! <img src='http://thesandtrap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':razz:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: will</title>
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		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now that you've gone to the trouble of actually making the predictions, it'll be at least mildly interesting to see what happens.  I would be shocked to see some of those guys finish in the top ten. :)

You know, if you could factor in the course attributes, like length, fairway width, green size, whether the rough is penal or not, etc, that might be interesting to look at.  I'll bet it would affect your predictions.

What would really be cool is if you could apply the course attributes to an entire season of stats, to see how much a particular course-type affected various types of players.  If that worked out, it could lead to a tool that course designers might use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now that you've gone to the trouble of actually making the predictions, it'll be at least mildly interesting to see what happens.  I would be shocked to see some of those guys finish in the top ten. <img src='http://thesandtrap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You know, if you could factor in the course attributes, like length, fairway width, green size, whether the rough is penal or not, etc, that might be interesting to look at.  I'll bet it would affect your predictions.</p>
<p>What would really be cool is if you could apply the course attributes to an entire season of stats, to see how much a particular course-type affected various types of players.  If that worked out, it could lead to a tool that course designers might use.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dividing someone's total by 1.05 or even 1.1 isn't going to do much. Either someone had a good week and dividing by 1.05 is only going to pull their sorry 124.3 ranking to 118.4 (big whoop) or they're having such a great year (think Tiger Woods most any year, Phil Mickelson, Vijay Singh in 2004, etc.) that their score is already going to be low without the division by 1.25. Plus, this early in the year, forget it. We've not played enough tournaments to have very accurate rankings. A one-week hot streak dramatically shifts the rankings.

Of course, that's assuming you're remotely correct in how you've chosen to apply the formula. Dave's 40-30-20-10 rule was calculated &lt;em&gt;after&lt;/em&gt; an event to show the relative weight of a few common statistics (GIR, PA, DD, DA) on a week-to-week basis. Dave then applied the rule to &lt;a href="http://thesandtrap.com/the_numbers_game/lpga_in_numbers"&gt;entire&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://thesandtrap.com/the_numbers_game/do_seniors_follow_the_rule"&gt;seasons&lt;/a&gt; and got even better results (for obvious reasons).

You've applied it backwards. While Dave used it as an analytical tool (after the fact), you've tried to cram it into the mold of a predictive tool. If golfers were consistent, that might actually work. They're not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dividing someone's total by 1.05 or even 1.1 isn't going to do much. Either someone had a good week and dividing by 1.05 is only going to pull their sorry 124.3 ranking to 118.4 (big whoop) or they're having such a great year (think Tiger Woods most any year, Phil Mickelson, Vijay Singh in 2004, etc.) that their score is already going to be low without the division by 1.25. Plus, this early in the year, forget it. We've not played enough tournaments to have very accurate rankings. A one-week hot streak dramatically shifts the rankings.</p>
<p>Of course, that's assuming you're remotely correct in how you've chosen to apply the formula. Dave's 40-30-20-10 rule was calculated <em>after</em> an event to show the relative weight of a few common statistics (GIR, PA, DD, DA) on a week-to-week basis. Dave then applied the rule to <a href="http://thesandtrap.com/the_numbers_game/lpga_in_numbers">entire</a> <a href="http://thesandtrap.com/the_numbers_game/do_seniors_follow_the_rule">seasons</a> and got even better results (for obvious reasons).</p>
<p>You've applied it backwards. While Dave used it as an analytical tool (after the fact), you've tried to cram it into the mold of a predictive tool. If golfers were consistent, that might actually work. They're not.</p>
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