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		<title>By: Chris Kozlowski</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/thrash_talk/its_time_for_a_rules_change#comment-7231</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kozlowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ball in divot - bad break but play it.  Unless the divot is 3 or 4 inches deep, it shouldn't be THAT difficult to hit.

Testing hazard conditions - I have no problem with this rule either, although I don't see why taking a practice swing too far away from the ball counts as "testing the conditions".  How far away is too far?  This seems like it would be similar to a player receiving a penalty for practicing their putting stroke "too far" away from their ball that is on the green.  Why is that okay but practicing too far away from your ball in the hazard is not?  Don't know.

Siging the wrong scorecard - not really a fan of this one primarily because the penalty is so severe - DISQUALIFICATION.  Plus, you are only DQ'd if you sign for a lower score than you actually shot.  If you sign an incorrect scorecard for a higher score than you actually shot, then that is your score.  I sometimes think that the penalty should be more like a two-stroke or 4-stroke penalty rather than DQ.  You receive a 2-stroke penalty per hole when you carry more than 14 clubs in your bag.  But the maximum penalty is 4 strokes - you would never receive eighteen 2-stroke penalties if you carry more than 14 clubs for an entire round.  Both seem to be "mental errors" and should be penalized equally.

Ball moves after putter is grounded - Don't really like this rule but don't know if it needs changing.

I have a serious curiosity, though, about the difference between ball marks and spike marks.  What is the logic behind allowing ball marks to be repaired and not spike marks?  The rules of golf exist so nobody gets an unfair advantage.  When all golfers are allowed to repair ball marks, nobody is getting an unfair advantage.  But when golfers are NOT allowed to repair spike marks, some golfers may receive an unfair advantage - namely those who tee off earlier than others.  Early birds probably don't encounter spike marks because the greens have usually just been cut or rolled.  But golfers who tee-off later may encounter the spike marks that the early-birds created.  Allowing spike marks to be repaired can also eliminate the question as to whether a mark on the green is a spike mark or ball mark that wasn't repaired completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ball in divot - bad break but play it.  Unless the divot is 3 or 4 inches deep, it shouldn't be THAT difficult to hit.</p>
<p>Testing hazard conditions - I have no problem with this rule either, although I don't see why taking a practice swing too far away from the ball counts as "testing the conditions".  How far away is too far?  This seems like it would be similar to a player receiving a penalty for practicing their putting stroke "too far" away from their ball that is on the green.  Why is that okay but practicing too far away from your ball in the hazard is not?  Don't know.</p>
<p>Siging the wrong scorecard - not really a fan of this one primarily because the penalty is so severe - DISQUALIFICATION.  Plus, you are only DQ'd if you sign for a lower score than you actually shot.  If you sign an incorrect scorecard for a higher score than you actually shot, then that is your score.  I sometimes think that the penalty should be more like a two-stroke or 4-stroke penalty rather than DQ.  You receive a 2-stroke penalty per hole when you carry more than 14 clubs in your bag.  But the maximum penalty is 4 strokes - you would never receive eighteen 2-stroke penalties if you carry more than 14 clubs for an entire round.  Both seem to be "mental errors" and should be penalized equally.</p>
<p>Ball moves after putter is grounded - Don't really like this rule but don't know if it needs changing.</p>
<p>I have a serious curiosity, though, about the difference between ball marks and spike marks.  What is the logic behind allowing ball marks to be repaired and not spike marks?  The rules of golf exist so nobody gets an unfair advantage.  When all golfers are allowed to repair ball marks, nobody is getting an unfair advantage.  But when golfers are NOT allowed to repair spike marks, some golfers may receive an unfair advantage - namely those who tee off earlier than others.  Early birds probably don't encounter spike marks because the greens have usually just been cut or rolled.  But golfers who tee-off later may encounter the spike marks that the early-birds created.  Allowing spike marks to be repaired can also eliminate the question as to whether a mark on the green is a spike mark or ball mark that wasn't repaired completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Baynative</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/thrash_talk/its_time_for_a_rules_change#comment-3117</link>
		<dc:creator>Baynative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all you said (I was being a bit facetious with the ettiquette stuff) except the complexity part. The entire rules of golf could probably be condensed into a half dozen simple rules. For instance, if you can repair something in your line on the green, then you should be able to repair ANYTHING in your line.

Fairways have white, yellow and red stakes. Learn those and we're about done.

Oh yeah, if you mean to play the ball, that's a stroke anything else should be considered inadvertant and played the same as a ball being hit by another on the green, put it where your opponent agrees and proceed.

There are simple guidelines to follow:  In match play the constant is that your opponent controls your ball, I like that in most all situations. 

When I was learning the game I had a regular partner who had the perfect response on questionable rulings. If I were in a predicament I didn't understand and asked him how to play or how to drop he would always reply, "What would you tell me if that was my ball?"
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all you said (I was being a bit facetious with the ettiquette stuff) except the complexity part. The entire rules of golf could probably be condensed into a half dozen simple rules. For instance, if you can repair something in your line on the green, then you should be able to repair ANYTHING in your line.</p>
<p>Fairways have white, yellow and red stakes. Learn those and we're about done.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, if you mean to play the ball, that's a stroke anything else should be considered inadvertant and played the same as a ball being hit by another on the green, put it where your opponent agrees and proceed.</p>
<p>There are simple guidelines to follow:  In match play the constant is that your opponent controls your ball, I like that in most all situations. </p>
<p>When I was learning the game I had a regular partner who had the perfect response on questionable rulings. If I were in a predicament I didn't understand and asked him how to play or how to drop he would always reply, "What would you tell me if that was my ball?"</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bay, there are already penalties for those actions. They're social penalties, and those who choose to enforce them are what I call "good guys." I only warn a guy once or twice about etiquette infractions before I stop playing with him.

I don't think the Rules of Golf are a result of a snobbish club trying to keep the riff-raff out, and I don't find the Rules to be terribly complex. Some situations can be odd, but in most cases, if you use common sense and play the ball as it lies, you'll be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bay, there are already penalties for those actions. They're social penalties, and those who choose to enforce them are what I call "good guys." I only warn a guy once or twice about etiquette infractions before I stop playing with him.</p>
<p>I don't think the Rules of Golf are a result of a snobbish club trying to keep the riff-raff out, and I don't find the Rules to be terribly complex. Some situations can be odd, but in most cases, if you use common sense and play the ball as it lies, you'll be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Baynative</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that the idea of rules, is to make the game impartial, give it structure and prohibit one person from finding an advantage over another beyond the God given limitations of skill. 

In order to do that the primary step should be to first create a set of rules that can be read and understood. In my experience this is not the case. I have witnessed several occasions in both club tournaments and matches with visiting clubs where groups have stood around reading and re-reading a rule only to finally say, "play it both ways, record both scores and we'll ask the pro when we get in."

Because of the pedantic way in which some snobbish club originally wrote the rules to keep the riff-raff out we have inherited a convoluted rules encyclopedia burdened with arcane regulations such as fixing a ball mark,  BUT NOT a spike mark and capricious rulings such as disqualifying Craig Stadler for kneeling on a towel to keep his pants dry or letting a small army move a boulder for Tiger.

I'd like to see penalties for NOT replacing a divot, conceding a putt in stroke play or throwing cigarette butts on the course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that the idea of rules, is to make the game impartial, give it structure and prohibit one person from finding an advantage over another beyond the God given limitations of skill. </p>
<p>In order to do that the primary step should be to first create a set of rules that can be read and understood. In my experience this is not the case. I have witnessed several occasions in both club tournaments and matches with visiting clubs where groups have stood around reading and re-reading a rule only to finally say, "play it both ways, record both scores and we'll ask the pro when we get in."</p>
<p>Because of the pedantic way in which some snobbish club originally wrote the rules to keep the riff-raff out we have inherited a convoluted rules encyclopedia burdened with arcane regulations such as fixing a ball mark,  BUT NOT a spike mark and capricious rulings such as disqualifying Craig Stadler for kneeling on a towel to keep his pants dry or letting a small army move a boulder for Tiger.</p>
<p>I'd like to see penalties for NOT replacing a divot, conceding a putt in stroke play or throwing cigarette butts on the course.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Fairway Divots:  Play it as it lines is the general rule in golf and playing it out of divots is part of that.  I see no reason to change this rule.

2. Bunker practice swings:  With modern bunkers becoming less and less penal I can see no reason to keep this rule unless the USGA wants to demand inconsistent bunkers.

3.  Signing wrong scorecard:  I cannot imagine how eliminating this would improve the game.  Remember, it is not just the tour you are talking about here competition extends all the way down to a club championship where these things are not tracked nearly as methodically.

4.  Wind and the putter: I agree with Mr. Thrash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Fairway Divots:  Play it as it lines is the general rule in golf and playing it out of divots is part of that.  I see no reason to change this rule.</p>
<p>2. Bunker practice swings:  With modern bunkers becoming less and less penal I can see no reason to keep this rule unless the USGA wants to demand inconsistent bunkers.</p>
<p>3.  Signing wrong scorecard:  I cannot imagine how eliminating this would improve the game.  Remember, it is not just the tour you are talking about here competition extends all the way down to a club championship where these things are not tracked nearly as methodically.</p>
<p>4.  Wind and the putter: I agree with Mr. Thrash.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only proposed rules change I would agree with is the penalty for the ball moving on the green with the putter grounded.  I've played in similar windy conditions, and if allowed, I'd wait it out until I liked it.  But would that be 2 seconds?  2 minutes?  2 hours?

Ball in a divot is "rub of the green" and just a tough break.  Besides, the pros sure play on far better conditioned courses than the ones I play on.  It would be interesting to see how they do on a beaten up muni.
Testing the condition is a serious infraction.  Since bunkers can be composed of heavy sand, light sand, loosely compacted sand, or even wet sand, testing the condition will definitely influence the players swing.  You shouldn't be there in the first place and should pay the price for doing so.  To take it a step further, I'd actually like to see more deep grass bunkers on the PGA tour to truly penalize the pros for hitting errant shots to the green.  Right now, they have few problems from the greenside bunkers and often aim for them.
As for signing a wrong card, that's just a mental lapse.  No excuses for that.

One rule I think seriously needs reconsideration is the infraction for repairing spike marks on the green.  Tour officials claim this would slow play down, but if they're going to put such emphasis on preparing the greens to their desired condition, why not continue to maintain that condition during play?  Slow players are just slow players, not because they spend time fixing conditions on the green.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only proposed rules change I would agree with is the penalty for the ball moving on the green with the putter grounded.  I've played in similar windy conditions, and if allowed, I'd wait it out until I liked it.  But would that be 2 seconds?  2 minutes?  2 hours?</p>
<p>Ball in a divot is "rub of the green" and just a tough break.  Besides, the pros sure play on far better conditioned courses than the ones I play on.  It would be interesting to see how they do on a beaten up muni.<br />
Testing the condition is a serious infraction.  Since bunkers can be composed of heavy sand, light sand, loosely compacted sand, or even wet sand, testing the condition will definitely influence the players swing.  You shouldn't be there in the first place and should pay the price for doing so.  To take it a step further, I'd actually like to see more deep grass bunkers on the PGA tour to truly penalize the pros for hitting errant shots to the green.  Right now, they have few problems from the greenside bunkers and often aim for them.<br />
As for signing a wrong card, that's just a mental lapse.  No excuses for that.</p>
<p>One rule I think seriously needs reconsideration is the infraction for repairing spike marks on the green.  Tour officials claim this would slow play down, but if they're going to put such emphasis on preparing the greens to their desired condition, why not continue to maintain that condition during play?  Slow players are just slow players, not because they spend time fixing conditions on the green.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Landing in too many fairway divots ?  Keep an extra pencil or 2 in your bag, or tucked in the adjusting strap on your visor or hat, and a small notepad, and take note of the yardages where most of them are, and next time take more or less club to miss that area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landing in too many fairway divots ?  Keep an extra pencil or 2 in your bag, or tucked in the adjusting strap on your visor or hat, and a small notepad, and take note of the yardages where most of them are, and next time take more or less club to miss that area.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel sooooo sorry for a golfer who loses money because he didn't know the rules.  I do hope my sarcasm is obvious.  There is absolutley no excuse, for these folk, (who make a tremendous amount of money for playing golf well,) to not know the rules.  And by the way -- sand has many different properties and much can be assesed by the savy golfer who slyly takes a "practice" swing within the bunker.  As a general statement to your artical, I say go play golf at the Old Course, in Scotland where the game was born from the earth those many years ago.  You will find you do not get relief from such things as a cart path or even a road.  Golf is a hard game.  It teaches us many things about ourselves and others, life is challenging and golf is a game of life.  Deal with the challenges golf gives you any way you wish, but I think whining about rules you don't like will not improve your game one stroke.
     And to the post above concerning lost ball or O.B. -- You are right, but a rules change is not necessary.  It is the resbonsibility of the Rules Commitee at each golf course to develop local rules to deal with slow play issues.  Examples of this are holes # 7 at Adobe Creek in Petaluma, Ca. and #16 at The Links at Bodega Harbour.  (I'll let you do the research if you want their specifics.)
     The rules are there for a reason, and as in life there are no gaurentees.  If your ball is in the fairway, be proud that you hit the fairway.  If you find that ball in a divot, challenge yourself to hit the best shot you are able.  besides, the very name fairway suggests that where ever your ball lands in the fairway is fair!  So play it as it lies and challenge yourself to be a better golfer.  You will be the better in the end.

The End.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel sooooo sorry for a golfer who loses money because he didn't know the rules.  I do hope my sarcasm is obvious.  There is absolutley no excuse, for these folk, (who make a tremendous amount of money for playing golf well,) to not know the rules.  And by the way -- sand has many different properties and much can be assesed by the savy golfer who slyly takes a "practice" swing within the bunker.  As a general statement to your artical, I say go play golf at the Old Course, in Scotland where the game was born from the earth those many years ago.  You will find you do not get relief from such things as a cart path or even a road.  Golf is a hard game.  It teaches us many things about ourselves and others, life is challenging and golf is a game of life.  Deal with the challenges golf gives you any way you wish, but I think whining about rules you don't like will not improve your game one stroke.<br />
     And to the post above concerning lost ball or O.B. -- You are right, but a rules change is not necessary.  It is the resbonsibility of the Rules Commitee at each golf course to develop local rules to deal with slow play issues.  Examples of this are holes # 7 at Adobe Creek in Petaluma, Ca. and #16 at The Links at Bodega Harbour.  (I'll let you do the research if you want their specifics.)<br />
     The rules are there for a reason, and as in life there are no gaurentees.  If your ball is in the fairway, be proud that you hit the fairway.  If you find that ball in a divot, challenge yourself to hit the best shot you are able.  besides, the very name fairway suggests that where ever your ball lands in the fairway is fair!  So play it as it lies and challenge yourself to be a better golfer.  You will be the better in the end.</p>
<p>The End.</p>
<p>b.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafcin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafcin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the biggest problem I see would be to find the "cut line" if you adjust these rules. All of the ones you listed(once you make these kind of situation legal) would bring in a judgment call, which USGA tries to (I'm sure) avoid. Question like - is it a "divot" or just a dry-spot on the fairway? Did you dig your feet in the bunker for 5 or 10 seconds? Did the ball moved because of the wind or did you ground it too close and touched it? I don't think having any of them changed is realistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the biggest problem I see would be to find the "cut line" if you adjust these rules. All of the ones you listed(once you make these kind of situation legal) would bring in a judgment call, which USGA tries to (I'm sure) avoid. Question like - is it a "divot" or just a dry-spot on the fairway? Did you dig your feet in the bunker for 5 or 10 seconds? Did the ball moved because of the wind or did you ground it too close and touched it? I don't think having any of them changed is realistic.</p>
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		<title>By: allin</title>
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		<dc:creator>allin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree unintended consequences of rule changes to interpretations of similar situations is an issue.  If we are playing a game in which integrity is so prized, why do we not trust golfers to acknowledge whether it was the wind or the golfer who caused ball movement?  Are the penalties appropriate to the infraction?  In the wind on the green example I fail to see what advantage a golfer gains unless the ball moves more than a balls width.  As long as the ball is replaced there should be no penalty. The focus needs to be more whether a golfer gains an unfair advantage.  I would suggest situations like Tigers roof top drop or pros who aim for the grandstands on purpose and take a drop in to a perfect lie to avoid hazards is a much more troublesome issue. I still think the stroke and distance penalty on OB shots should be adjusted to nearest point of relief with a penalty stroke.  If for no other reason than to speed up play.  Hackers tend to hit provisionals in some nearly as bad places, and if they are walking this can take forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree unintended consequences of rule changes to interpretations of similar situations is an issue.  If we are playing a game in which integrity is so prized, why do we not trust golfers to acknowledge whether it was the wind or the golfer who caused ball movement?  Are the penalties appropriate to the infraction?  In the wind on the green example I fail to see what advantage a golfer gains unless the ball moves more than a balls width.  As long as the ball is replaced there should be no penalty. The focus needs to be more whether a golfer gains an unfair advantage.  I would suggest situations like Tigers roof top drop or pros who aim for the grandstands on purpose and take a drop in to a perfect lie to avoid hazards is a much more troublesome issue. I still think the stroke and distance penalty on OB shots should be adjusted to nearest point of relief with a penalty stroke.  If for no other reason than to speed up play.  Hackers tend to hit provisionals in some nearly as bad places, and if they are walking this can take forever.</p>
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