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Played Cinnebar Hills today- 6561/ 72.6/ 136 Shot 77 and again missed a number of makeable putts inside 20'. My misses are always reading more break than is there. Hard habit to break.
Yes. New technology in woods (metals) and balls makes it hard not too. I play old forged blades so I don't notice a significant change in my irons. Other than I believe I'm just better (let me have the fantasy), but its noticeable off the tee.
OK- we're arguing symantics.   My point is that the average golfer (18-20 hdcp), playing the pro's tee shot, is still going to flair an 8 iron into the bunker or chunk one halfway to the green, where the pro is going to knock a mid-long iron onto the green and often have a makeable birdie putt.   I stand by my theory that distance is not the difference. But everything after the tee shot is a huge difference.
 Really? A full 60* wedge from 90 yards is "long game"?
 I'd be happy to do this and am willing to put up cash on the outcome. IME, your average 20 hcpr isn't a slouch, but a guy that can knock the ball around OK, that has 4-5 blow up holes where they tend to compound self inflicted wounds by bad decisions and the attempt to hit a career shot where there are better/safer options. I'm not a 4 because I'm a great ball striker (although I hit the ball OK), I'm a 4 because I make better choices and make fewer mistakes around the hole.
Big difference here is what you define as the "long game". Everything outside 100 yards is hardly the long game as I would define it. This a skewed theory based on a simplistic theory. What happens beyond 150 yards? 175 yards? 200+ yards? It's an arbitrary definition designed to support a hypothosis, not an accurate description of how game is played. Where are the stats that show the pros vs. amateurs only off the tees? And only on par 4 & 5 holes? No disrespect, but this...
Can't argue with the data. My opinion- and only that- is based on my one time experience havin done this as an experiment. On the other hand, I'd bet that I could switch tee shots with a 20 hcpr and still beat him 9 of 10 times. Or is that just hubris??
 True- my original point was that the difference, IME, was not as great as expected. The thread derailed a bit from there.
 OK, but I think of 20 yards as a 2 club difference. And as a single digit hcpr, you should be around the greens on your approach too. I know I am.The difference is that they'll knock the ball in the hole more often. Or leave short tap in putts.Look at what Rory just did in Bermuda.... dead pulled a left handed shot near the water, flubbed a chip near the green and holed out from the fringe for par.Even most good amateurs would not have made 5 and it had nothing to do with...
I misread his post and haven't read his book. Not sure I'd reconsider my opinion of the experience, but I'm open to being proven wrong. My answer to his question remains the same... Chipping and putting was the difference. The pros are ungodly good at getting up & down where even the good amateur is not as skilled.
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