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Short Course Handicapping

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I do most of my playing on a par 62 "executive course". I was wondering if there is a formula for figuring handicap that works with short courses?
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does it have a slope and rating?
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The course rating is 70.0 and it has a slope rating of 113.
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well then there ya go. your course handicap would be 23 since the courses slope and the "average slope" are both 113. Unfortunately there is no way of differentiating between an "executive" course and a regulation course that I'm aware of.
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Par 62 with a course rating of 70.0 ? Must be a tough course.
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Par 62 with a course rating of 70.0 ? Must be a tough course.

Really hard! Pebble Beach is a par 72 with a rating of 75.5 and the pros have a heck of a time with that course.

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I do believe 70 and 113 are the "standards" that most sites use for courses without a rating, for people who are adding courses into their database. Those numbers caught my eye, as I was adding a local par 3 short course to one of those sites and when they asked for the rating/slope, they said if none, use the standard 70/113. So most likely, it's never been rated and should never be used to figure out a handicap on your own.
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I do believe 70 and 113 are the "standards" that most sites use for courses without a rating, for people who are adding courses into their database. Those numbers caught my eye, as I was adding a local par 3 short course to one of those sites and when they asked for the rating/slope, they said if none, use the standard 70/113. So most likely, it's never been rated and should never be used to figure out a handicap on your own.

This makes sense ... Thanks!

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Also, note that for courses under 3000 yards (18 holes) or 1500 yards (9 holes) you can't post for handicap anyway, unless you maintain a separate "short course" handicap.
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Also, note that for courses under 3000 yards (18 holes) or 1500 yards (9 holes) you can't post for handicap anyway, unless you maintain a separate "short course" handicap.

All the more reason why I currently have a 99.9 handicap.. aka NONE. Haha... Maybe someday.

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I was looking at the short course that I play all the time and the total is 4180 for 18 (2090 for 9) holes and it's a par 68.

There is no slop or rating on the card (I will ask them next time I am there), but what is interesting is that on the back there is a big square that says "Standard Scratch - 60"

So, am I to assume that what they are saying is that if a pro played this course he would score at or below a 60?  Anyone have any way of interpreting the above?  The other day I scored a 74, so that basically means I am a long way away!

8 under as scratch just seems like a lot doesn't it?

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I was looking at the short course that I play all the time and the total is 4180 for 18 (2090 for 9) holes and it's a par 68. There is no slop or rating on the card (I will ask them next time I am there), but what is interesting is that on the back there is a big square that says "Standard Scratch - 60" So, am I to assume that what they are saying is that if a pro played this course he would score at or below a 60?  Anyone have any way of interpreting the above?  The other day I scored a 74, so that basically means I am a long way away! 8 under as scratch just seems like a lot doesn't it?

If the course has been rated by the USGA, you will find it here..... http://ncrdb.usga.org/NCRDB/ A course rating of 60 for a course playing less than 4200 yards doesn't strike me as that unusual.

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If the course has been rated by the USGA, you will find it here..... http://ncrdb.usga.org/NCRDB/ A course rating of 60 for a course playing less than 4200 yards doesn't strike me as that unusual.

Lol,,,, so the course rating is the number of expected strokes a scratch golfer is expected to have? Never knew that.. Thanks!

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If the course has been rated by the USGA, you will find it here.....

http://ncrdb.usga.org/NCRDB/

A course rating of 60 for a course playing less than 4200 yards doesn't strike me as that unusual.

The old rule of thumb used to be divide the yardage by 200 and add 38.25.  So a 4200 yard course would be estimated at 21 + 38.25 so you are right, 60 doesn't sound like a bad estimate.  This was back in the days where there was no slope and the 96% factor was only 85%.

Yeah, I AM that old. ;-)

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Bumping this up rather than starting a new thread.

There's this executive course in my area named Hiawatha Trails in Guilderland, NY which has a Par 57 and 2331 yards.  The course is all par 3's except for 3 holes that are par 4's.

I've been trying to get the CR/Slope for this course but most sites have it listed as CR: 90 / Slope: 100.

I've played this course a few times and am nowhere near scratch and shot under 90 so my thoughts are that the CR/Slope can't be correct.

I found one site that had it listed as CR: 57 / Slope: 75.

Thoughts?

FWIW: http://ncrdb.usga.org/NCRDB/ doesn't have the course listed.

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Bumping this up rather than starting a new thread.

There's this executive course in my area named Hiawatha Trails in Guilderland, NY which has a Par 57 and 2331 yards.  The course is all par 3's except for 3 holes that are par 4's.

I've been trying to get the CR/Slope for this course but most sites have it listed as CR: 90 / Slope: 100.

I've played this course a few times and am nowhere near scratch and shot under 90 so my thoughts are that the CR/Slope can't be correct.

I found one site that had it listed as CR: 57 / Slope: 75.

Thoughts?

FWIW: http://ncrdb.usga.org/NCRDB/ doesn't have the course listed.

18 hole courses must be a minimum of 3000 yards to be rated


13. What is the minimum yardage of a golf course to have a USGA
Course Rating and Slope Rating?


In order to qualify for a USGA Course Rating and Slope Rating, a
course must have a minimum of 3,000 yards for 18 holes (1,500
yards for nine holes), and must have one long hole as follows:

A. For any combination of nine holes, there must be at least one hole
that requires a woman scratch golfer to hit a shot greater than 210
yards.

B. For any combination greater than nine holes, there must be at least
two holes that require a woman scratch golfer to hit a shot greater
than 210 yards.

When a golf course is shorter than this length, the basic assumptions
in the USGA Course Rating System no longer hold true, and the
formula for converting the effective playing length into strokes fails.

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