Brandel Chamblee Is the Biggest Tiger Hater

[Kujan]

Brandel makes a good point that we'll never be able to say that the new swing helped him win additional majors (if he does that is) since he's been there done that . That said, analysts should discuss the pros and cons of making a swing change and leave it at that.

[MrKadash]

Brandel was doing his job and giving an opinion.  I have zero problem with his comments regarding Tiger.

[sean_miller]

I find the fact he felt the need to publicly apologize for his Golf Channel comments kind of gross.

Originally Posted by MrKadash

Brandel was doing his job and giving an opinion.  I have zero problem with his comments regarding Tiger.

[MrKadash]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

I find the fact he felt the need to publicly apologize for his Golf Channel comments kind of gross.

I must have missed that part.

[Mr. Desmond]

From the golfchannel.com, an excerpt:

As for the negativity, in some cases I’m guilty as charged. I cannot as an analyst find reason to compliment a player who abandons proven methods for more pedestrian ones. What if he is ultimately successful in his endeavors to change his swing and win majors? He would end up right where he started, at the cost of time, which is every athlete’s most valuable commodity. Furthermore, it would have cost him considerable wear on a body that has not aged well. All of this makes me question whether it is one of the most confusing things we have seen in golf.

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Pedestrian ... that is a slap. I don't think that is the correct adjective.

To paraphrase The Princess Bride: He keeps on using that word, but I don't think he knows what it means...

Main Entry:	pedestrian
Part of Speech:	adjective
Definition:	everyday, dull
Synonyms:	banal , banausic, blah *, boring , commonplace , dim , dreary , flat , humdrum *, inane , jejune , mediocre , monotone, monotonous , mundane , ordinary , platitudinous, plodding, prosaic , run-of-the-mill, stodgy, truistic, unimaginative, uninspired, uninteresting, wishy-washy

[iacas]

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As for the negativity, in some cases I’m guilty as charged. I cannot as an analyst find reason to compliment a player who abandons proven methods for more pedestrian ones. What if he is ultimately successful in his endeavors to change his swing and win majors? He would end up right where he started, at the cost of time, which is every athlete’s most valuable commodity.

Thing is, Brandel, he wasn't winning majors in 2009 or 2010 with Hank Haney's swing. How "proven" was it really? On the topic of swing changes, I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the guy with 13 more majors to his credit than you have PGA Tour victories.

It's easy pickings, no doubt. Tiger could win nothing in 2011 and then win the next 12 majors after that and you'd still be able to claim he'd have won 16 if he'd stuck with Hank Haney or gone back to Butch Harmon. It's a bizarre tactic to take, assuming that you know better than Tiger what it takes to compete at his level on the modern PGA Tour... Anything can happen and you can claim victory.

All Tiger's "proven" to me is that he can win majors swinging the club three different ways. Odds are he can do it four different ways, but we owe him six years to compare his record in the majors to find out, don't we?

A bit of a silly way to make my point: Tiger won while hobbling around Torrey Pines on a broken leg. Perhaps since that's a "proven method" Tiger should break his leg and play in tremendous pain all the time. It a "proven" to be effective, after all.

I'm not sure that Tiger's as bright about the golf swing as people give him credit for, but I'm not sure he's as dumb as you seem to think he is either.

[sean_miller]

What I've seen is that S&T; likes to refer to players' OWGR before, during and, for some strange reason, after being an S&T; devotee. We could graph Tiger before and after Butch, Hank, and Sean Foley. That could tell us if Tiger's on the proper path.

Of course I'm playing devil's advocate, since Tiger was barely knocked out in round 1 at the Accenture, and other than Donald, every guy in the final four had at least one close call. If he'd got past Bjorn, we might have had different champion. Who knows?!?

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Thing is, Brandel, he wasn't winning majors in 2009 or 2010 with Hank Haney's swing. How "proven" was it really? On the topic of swing changes, I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the guy with 13 more majors to his credit than you have PGA Tour victories.

It's easy pickings, no doubt. Tiger could win nothing in 2011 and then win the next 12 majors after that and you'd still be able to claim he'd have won 16 if he'd stuck with Hank Haney or gone back to Butch Harmon. It's a bizarre tactic to take, assuming that you know better than Tiger what it takes to compete at his level on the modern PGA Tour... Anything can happen and you can claim victory.

All Tiger's "proven" to me is that he can win majors swinging the club three different ways. Odds are he can do it four different ways, but we owe him six years to compare his record in the majors to find out, don't we?

A bit of a silly way to make my point: Tiger won while hobbling around Torrey Pines on a broken leg. Perhaps since that's a "proven method" Tiger should break his leg and play in tremendous pain all the time. It a "proven" to be effective, after all.

I'm not sure that Tiger's as bright about the golf swing as people give him credit for, but I'm not sure he's as dumb as you seem to think he is either.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

We could graph Tiger before and after Butch, Hank, and Sean Foley. That could tell us if Tiger's on the proper path.

Of course I'm playing devil's advocate, since Tiger was barely knocked out in round 1 at the Accenture, and other than Donald, every guy in the final four had at least one close call. If he'd got past Bjorn, we might have had different champion. Who knows?!?

This isn't an S&T; discussion and how two people choose to support their case has little to no bearing here.

Tiger wouldn't have been in the top 50 in the OWGR is you went on his 2010 results alone. It's only his residual 2009 points which help keep him in the top 10 now. During his prior swing changes, he entered with 15 points or so OWGR. He currently has 6.

[franky21]

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Brandel:

I have written a piece for GolfChannel.com that will be up in a few days, that your comments inspired. I hope it answers your questions as to my "negativity".  I wish you well in golf and with every endeavor. It looks as if you have a beautiful family.

Brandel

Well i have to say it is pretty awesome for you to actually write a response on how you feel about the situation. I respect what you wrote and makes alot of sense but i just didnt seem like you wish him well when you talk about him. But everyone is entitled to there own opinion and i guess you cant praise a guy that really isnt playing good golf but for people to question his golfing ability and work ethic after what he is done is mind boggling. He is still very young and has alot of golf ahead of him and we have to give him the benefit of the doubt because he does have 14 majors . But i appreciate you writing something on here to really let us know what you think of Tigers situation without any cameras.

[TourSpoon]

Originally Posted by franky21

Well i have to say it is pretty awesome for you to actually write a response on how you feel about the situation. I respect what you wrote and makes alot of sense but i just didnt seem like you wish him well when you talk about him. But everyone is entitled to there own opinion and i guess you cant praise a guy that really isnt playing good golf but for people to question his golfing ability and work ethic after what he is done is mind boggling. He is still very young and has alot of golf ahead of him and we have to give him the benefit of the doubt because he does have 14 majors . But i appreciate you writing something on here to really let us know what you think of Tigers situation without any cameras.

That was really cool of him...either that or Sean Miller was posing with a fake account.

[jamo]

Originally Posted by TourSpoon

That was really cool of him...either that or Sean Miller was posing with a fake account.

If it was s_m, he went all out with the email account.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by TourSpoon

That was really cool of him...either that or Sean Miller was posing with a fake account.

I assumed it was you.

[franky21]

well if it was Brandel that was pretty cool for speaking his mind and if it was Sean kiss my ass.

[TourSpoon]

Originally Posted by franky21

well if it was Brandel that was pretty cool for speaking his mind and if it was Sean kiss my ass.

I can assure you it wasn't Sean...no need for any affection...if you hang around long enough you may be able to ascertain certain aspects of the colorful personalities that contribute on a regular basis to this community to help you temper and guide your comments appropriately.

Back to the topic...How often do you openly criticize someone on a forum and then they show up and call you out so to speak to set the record straight?  He handled this thing pretty well and may have picked up a new fan or two.  You have to give him credit for even coming on the Sand Trap.  Let's talk about Johnny Miller now...lol.

[Kieran123]

Johny Miller.....I HATE whenever Nicklaus etc are in the commentary box with him, all he does is talk about when they played, then brown noses the shit out of them.....

[Harmonious]

Originally Posted by Kieran123

Johny Miller.....I HATE whenever Nicklaus etc are in the commentary box with him, all he does is talk about when they played, then brown noses the shit out of them.....

Question - If you were able to talk with Nicklaus, what would you talk about?  Whether Stewart Cink will make his next putt for par, or if Kevin Sutherland should hit a low draw or a high hook from behind the tree, or some other "pedestrian" topic?  Or would you seek to somehow gain some insight into the thinking of the man with the greatest record in golf?

Heck, that's why having Miller and Faldo in the announcing booth is so interesting.  They know what they are talking about.  They have been there, and have been successful at the highest level.

[jamo]

Originally Posted by Harmonious

Heck, that's why having Miller and Faldo in the announcing booth is so interesting.  They know what they are talking about.  They have been there, and have been successful at the highest level.

That's right. Johnny Miller won the '73 U.S. Open at Oakmont with a 63 on Sunday. And don't you forget it!

[franky21]

Originally Posted by TourSpoon

I can assure you it wasn't Sean...no need for any affection...if you hang around long enough you may be able to ascertain certain aspects of the colorful personalities that contribute on a regular basis to this community to help you temper and guide your comments appropriately.

Back to the topic...How often do you openly criticize someone on a forum and then they show up and call you out so to speak to set the record straight?  He handled this thing pretty well and may have picked up a new fan or two.  You have to give him credit for even coming on the Sand Trap.  Let's talk about Johnny Miller now...lol.

i totally agree he gained my respect to actually be worried that much about we people think of him and write a article on it is very nice. He really didnt need to defend himself but for taking the time out to do so is fantastic. I still dont agree with the way he handles im self at times but everyone has there own opinions but what you did was first class and i have to say you really gained some fans.