• Announcements

    • iacas

      Create a Signature!   02/05/2016

      Everyone, go here and edit your signature this week: http://thesandtrap.com/settings/signature/.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
EverythingGolf

Ben Hogan's "Secret" does anyone really know what it is?

45 posts in this topic

There has been some debate about the swing arc and that been hogan knew the secret to keeping the club square to this swing arc etc. I am hoping I can get peoples ideas and fact about hogan's swing.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

Want to get rid of this advertisement? Sign up (or log in) today! It's free!

I would say Hogan's secrets are more Hogan's secrets on how not to hook the ball.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

Read The Final Missing Piece of Ben Hogan's Secret Puzzle by VJ Trolio.

Some of the puzzle might seem similar to S&T; elements.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

Videos and extensive explanations can be found in 'The Ben Hogan Collection' 3 dvd set.  We put in a lot of film of Mr. Hogan to give the viewer an extensive number of examples of his swing from a variety of angles.  That is the real deal.  That is a good starting point.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He revealed his secret in a lifetime article. It´s the cupping of the left wrist at the top of the backswing which enabled him to hit his famous "Hogan Fade".

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The problem is that there seem to be a lot of "secrets" people refer to with Hogan:

- Pronation/Supination of the wrist.

- Clockwise rotation of the right leg on the backswing to create torque (backed-up with the fact that he had an extra spike added to his right shoe)

- Slight rotation of the head to face the right foot before the takeaway.

- A mental secret.

I think ultimately however there may be no single "secret" and he was just a phenomenal golfer.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree. Ben Hogan wasn´t super human although I do believe he was a genius. Creating the swing he did without the use of a video camera and only relying on feel is very impressive to say the least. Unfortunately, after he died some people tried to milk the cash cow by selling fake Hogan secrets.

The problem is that there seem to be a lot of "secrets" people refer to with Hogan:

- Pronation/Supination of the wrist.

- Clockwise rotation of the right leg on the backswing to create torque (backed-up with the fact that he had an extra spike added to his right shoe)

- Slight rotation of the head to face the right foot before the takeaway.

- A mental secret.

I think ultimately however there may be no single "secret" and he was just a phenomenal golfer.



0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Great topic.  And, by the earlier posts, there are many opinions and ideas on Hogan's one secret, if in fact there was only one.

As to what he did that others did not:  My opinion is that he got the clubhead back to square so early in his downswing, that he never had to worry about timing his release.  That early counterclockwise rotation in his left arm allowed him to really attack the ball, and not worry about his dreaded hook.  For a guy his size (5'9", 130 pounds, I think) he hit it tremendous distances.

Here's a video from Tom Bertrand, who has done a lot of Hogan stuff.  He talks about that rotation of his left arm to square the clubface, with no manipulation of the hands.  I think it's pretty interesting.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Someone, I can't  remember who, felt Hogan was interested in keeping the idea of a big secret alive in hopes of scoring a big payday for a book or magazine series, and that there was no real secret. I believe the statement was in an old golf magazine article about Hogan or the possible secret.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The guy who has Hogan's Secret figured out always seems to be the person publishing the next book.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Honestly, I think Hogan's greatest secret was simply work.  He worked hard on his golf swing to hit the shots he wanted to hit.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think that Hogan's secret was that people believed he had a secret.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

Any "secret" or similar "key move" is nothing but a gimmick made to sell more books or DVDs. Write one book on the swing, then write another one on your secret. Profit.

Hogan may have felt a cupped wrist was the secret to his swing, but since when was a single static position the secret to anything in a dynamic swing? A slightly cupped left wrist is something most golfers got, with varying degrees. I've seen some of these secrets and key moves, the common factor being that none of them will revolutionize golf for the whole world. Some players might need to work on that exact issue, for others it may be the opposite.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

Hogan's secret was that if you are a natural hooker of the ball like him, set your clubs and grip insanely open and work like hell with your legs and you'll hit a soft, beautiful little cut.

The Jody Vasquez book is the closest to really getting at Hogan's secret. If he had one. Ugh.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites



Originally Posted by LongballGer

He revealed his secret in a lifetime article. It´s the cupping of the left wrist at the top of the backswing which enabled him to hit his famous "Hogan Fade".


And stop hooking.  Probably not a good secret for slicers, or if you can already hit a nice fade without cupping the lead wrist at the top.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This, from Cary Middlecoff's The Golf Swing regarding Hogan's secret:

"The statement [that he had discovered 'the secret'] was especially startling in one respect, as it put Hogan so squarely on the spot. He clearly must have known that he would consistently have to produce some outstanding golf or suffer considerable embarrassment. He surely knew that all serious golfers are prone to come up with what they think 'the secret' but which usually turns out to be a snare and a delusion. I know that I have had many of them, some of which I briefly thought were so valuable that I would keep them strictly to myself until I had won all the tournaments and money I wanted. But none ever impressed me sufficiently or worked for a long enough trial period to tempt me to announce that 'now I've got it.' Hogan's did."

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here's another one from the Middlecoff book:

"Hogan...hit upon the method approximately between the seasons of 1947 and 1948. ... I played with Hogan many times that year, [1948] and while he won the U.S. Open and several other tournaments, he did not seem to me to be hitting the ball with anything like the authority that characterized his play in later years. ...  According to my memory, it was in 1950, after the accident, that he began showing the kind of precision golf that set him apart."

and finally this:

"My guess is that Hogan's theory and practice of hitting a golf ball will be around for a long time. He played so superlatively that nobody who ever watched him in his best years can forget the experience. There is also the fact that what he wrote about the golf swing has been proven to be right in virtually every aspect, even if not always easy to comprehend by the average golfer."

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And another player in the "I know Hogan's secret" is the new downloadable from SiTD - "Most Powerful Move in Golf"

Now if only I can wrap my head around applying such a strange concept to my swing next time I'm practicing...

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2016 TST Partners

    GAME Golf
    PING Golf
    Lowest Score Wins
  • Popular Now

  • Posts

    • Donald Trump for president?
      I want to be the Walmart greeter.  I can't support my family on that wage though. Typically the higher paying jobs are harder and have more responsibility (stress).  If I could get paid the same that I do now with a simpler (easier) job, I would do it in a heartbeat.  I am certain many others would as well.
    • Donald Trump for president?
      Haha! The same could be said for honestly defending some of his positions as well, I hear ya.  Most criticism of Trump equates to name calling. I have seen very few well-versed critiques of his policy regarding immigration. 
    • Donald Trump for president?
      This is exactly what we need. The decline of the economy around my are was/is directly related to the loss of manufacturing jobs available. People who made a good living working at a place like the Phillips plant near here suddenly lost their job when that plant was moved to Mexico, same with Dana, as well as several other well paying manufacturing facilities. Even some of the plants that are still here employ significantly fewer people and are now much harder to get into as a result. If a President could find a way to incentivise *no clue how to spell that* companies to bring their plants back into the US we'd see a marked improvement in the middle class, and that President might be considered one of the greatest ever because of that. The problem is, in order to bring them back, it could take things that people really dislike, like subsidies, tax breaks, and other financial help from the government to these big companies. However, I see nothing wrong with doing these things on a short term basis to help bring those plants back home because the increase in better paying jobs will have a big positive impact on the economy.
    • What are you listening to?
      Right now.... one of the finest guitar solos ever played.... Maggot Brain by Funkadelic... One that I could put on repeat and listen to all day. 
    • Different swing for Driver and Irons
      Had not swung for a while and when I was practicing at indoor range today it seem like fairway woods and iron were more similar than iron and driver  the setup with iron and fairway wood was similar . Ball position off the left shoulder . With the fairway wood I address the ball further away and created a more swallow path .  The ball position for the iron was closer to me and slightly more toward the middle of the stance. The plane was more steep relative to fairway wood  The driver feels completely different. The last 5 years I been working on having positive AoA so that the low point of my swing is before the ball and at tee level . The funny thing is that the driver swing felt more like I was pitching with a wedge   That is the feeling like I was hitting up on the ball . Ball position is off the lower body
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Images

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. glinks
      glinks
      (43 years old)
  • Blog Entries