Stack & Tilt pull-fade.... Help!

[goodguy96]

I`ve been using The S&T; Method For 6-8 Months now and I Need Help Learning to Pull the Ball And start Playing a Pull-fade, my Natural ball flight is a Push Slice And a hard turning push Draw ... I have tried Playing a Push fade by Opening  my stance and taking a weaker Grip but it has never worked For me!

[mchepp]

So maybe first you should explain why you would want to hit a pull-fade? Do you want to play it as a stock shot that you hit all the time, or just because you want to hit one around a tree occasionally? Depending on how you answer this question will determine the advice you get.

[goodguy96]

I would like to play it as my Stock Shot, the Reason Why I want to play a Pull-fade is because It has a much Lower ball flight then a push-draw.... here Are Some Videos That Show the pull-fade that i want to use as my Stock shot..

[Nole77]

It seems counterintuitive to me that a pull draw would promote a lower ball flight.  I've found that having the face open relative to the swing path tends to promote a higher flight.  Then again, that may just be me.

Edit: Heh, meant to write "that a pull fade would promote a lower ball flight"

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by Nole77

It seems counterintuitive to me that a pull draw would promote a lower ball flight.  I've found that having the face open relative to the swing path tends to promote a higher flight.  Then again, that may just be me.

How do you end up with a " pull draw" while having the "face open relative to the swing path"? Is that a trick shot?

[iacas]

Originally Posted by goodguy96

I would like to play it as my Stock Shot, the Reason Why I want to play a Pull-fade is because It has a much Lower ball flight then a push-draw.... here Are Some Videos That Show the pull-fade that i want to use as my Stock shot..

Shift the left arm out from P4 to P5 and let your head go forward a little bit.

BTW, Dean wasn't hitting pull-fades.

Originally Posted by Nole77

It seems counterintuitive to me that a pull draw would promote a lower ball flight.  I've found that having the face open relative to the swing path tends to promote a higher flight.  Then again, that may just be me.

A pull draw is a lower ball flight than a push-draw. A pull-fade is a lower ball flight than a push-draw too. Push anything is a higher ball flight than pull anything.

[mchepp]

Originally Posted by iacas

Shift the left arm out from P4 to P5 and let your head go forward a little bit.

This would be an outstanding topic for a Golf Evolution video on how to hit a fade. That is a fantastic tip.

[Nole77]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

How do you end up with a " pull draw" while having the "face open relative to the swing path"? Is that a trick shot?

Typo on my part, meant to say "pull fade".  It seems I was mistaken however.  Thanks Erik.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by mchepp

This would be an outstanding topic for a Golf Evolution video on how to hit a fade. That is a fantastic tip.

Two ways, as you know. That's a bit more of a straight fade to a pull fade. The other is to just shift your stance far enough left to hit a push fade.

The "left arm out, head going forward a little" is kind of a "Dummie's Version of Mac O'Grady's CP Pattern."

[goodguy96]

Originally Posted by iacas

Shift the left arm out from P4 to P5 and let your head go forward a little bit.

BTW, Dean wasn't hitting pull-fades.

A pull draw is a lower ball flight than a push-draw. A pull-fade is a lower ball flight than a push-draw too. Push anything is a higher ball flight than pull anything.

haha my bad, it just must be the  Camera angle That Makes it look like he`s hitting pull shots!.... Could you please Explane what p4 and p5 mean? I have been Learning the S&T; Via the book and It never Used Terms like that!

[iacas]

Originally Posted by goodguy96

haha my bad, it just must be the  Camera angle That Makes it look like he`s hitting pull shots!.... Could you please Explane what p4 and p5 mean? I have been Learning the S&T; Via the book and It never Used Terms like that!

See http://thesandtrap.com/wiki/big-list-of-golf-terminology . Linked to in my signature as Golf Terminology .

[goodguy96]

Thanks, But what do you mean By letting my head go forward?

[mchepp]

Originally Posted by goodguy96

Thanks, But what do you mean By letting my head go forward?

Towards the target.

[goodguy96]

Originally Posted by iacas

See http://thesandtrap.com/wiki/big-list-of-golf-terminology . Linked to in my signature as Golf Terminology.

Originally Posted by mchepp

Towards the target.

Are their any drills that you would recommend i practice to help me get my head alittle more forward during the swing?

[iacas]

Originally Posted by goodguy96

Are their any drills that you would recommend i practice to help me get my head alittle more forward during the swing?

We don't really teach that, so no, not really. The more important piece of that is to shift your left arm out at the start of the downswing anyway. The best way to do it would be to film yourself, do it in slow motion a few times, and then ramp up the speed slowly and pay attention to what you feel the move is like.

[mvmac]

I'll just add that the left shoulder could also "feel" like it stays lower and more around.  Will help with the left arm motion and the head going forward.