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When does a person need to flatten the lie of an iron? When I was swinging slightly on an outer path, I was told to get a 2* flatter lie. Now I hit straight and draw shots since I drop my arms on the down swing to get into the slot. A golf pro then told me that all my specs are standard and that with a 2* flatter lie, the toe digs into the ground a lot more. Any one can tell me? I'm planning to buy a second set of irons and I want to be educated about this before then.
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Are you hitting shots on the toe?  Here's a good check to see what you need.

Draw a vertical line on the back of a ball with a sharpie and if the mark on the face isnt vertical, assuming no severe swing issues, your lie angle is bad.  The vertical line method is a more accurate form of lie angle checking than by using a lie board or impact tape.  If the line points to the left (11 o'clock) the lie is too upright, if the line points to the right ( 1 o'clock) the lie is too flat.

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Thank y, will try that. Yes, toe shots are my bad shots. Generally when I try to swing too hard and it becomes an out to in swing. I'd assume this is correct? So what does toe shots mean to you?
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Originally Posted by mvmac

Are you hitting shots on the toe?  Here's a good check to see what you need.

Draw a vertical line on the back of a ball with a sharpie and if the mark on the face isnt vertical, assuming no severe swing issues, your lie angle is bad.  The vertical line method is a more accurate form of lie angle checking than by using a lie board or impact tape.  If the line points to the left (11 o'clock) the lie is too upright, if the line points to the right ( 1 o'clock) the lie is too flat.

Question...so all things being equal.  If the lie angle of your iron is too upright will you likely have toe or heel impact?

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Originally Posted by saevel25

I believe to upright, means you will hit toe first.. To flat means you hit heel first..

Sorry, my question was confusing.  I meant will it cause toe or heel impact with the ball, not the ground?

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Originally Posted by Sai-Jin

Thank y, will try that.

Yes, toe shots are my bad shots. Generally when I try to swing too hard and it becomes an out to in swing. I'd assume this is correct?

So what does toe shots mean to you?

I would say the club that is more out to in will be a heel hit and the club coming too much from in to out will be a toe hit.  To me guys that early extend, head comes off the "wall" will hit it off the toe because the club can tend to be too "in".  Guys that have the head go through the "wall" will hit it off the heel.

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Originally Posted by Mr3Wiggle

Question...so all things being equal.  If the lie angle of your iron is too upright will you likely have toe or heel impact?

Too upright would tend to hit it off the heel, too flat off the toe

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Originally Posted by Sai-Jin

When does a person need to flatten the lie of an iron?

When I was swinging slightly on an outer path, I was told to get a 2* flatter lie.

Now I hit straight and draw shots since I drop my arms on the down swing to get into the slot.

A golf pro then told me that all my specs are standard and that with a 2* flatter lie, the toe digs into the ground a lot more.

Any one can tell me? I'm planning to buy a second set of irons and I want to be educated about this before then.

Do you like your current swing? If so, getting a fitting with a marker or lie board is great. At a 14 handicap, when you make a good swing, you may have a swing that is what you want. If you hope to change your swing, then get a static fitting based on your body and the swing you want -- set up distance from the ball and proper arm hang etc.

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Interesting. I will ask for a static fitting. Thank you, I isn't know about this. Im currently 11 handicap. And I already changed my swing, so it's almost no longer the out to in path anymore. Not perfect, but my shots re straights or draws now. Thanks for the info
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Well sure enough, the sharpie marker points to 1 o'clock on my 2* flat lie club. So I'll be getting standard spec irons next time
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Originally Posted by mvmac

Too upright would tend to hit it off the heel, too flat off the toe

So could a case of the shanks be attributed to clubs that are too upright?

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Originally Posted by Mr3Wiggle

So could a case of the shanks be attributed to clubs that are too upright?

Tough to say, I'd say it's more of a swing issue.  When were talking about lie angles and hitting it off the toe or heel, 2 or 3 degrees isn't going to cause a large miss off the toe or heel.  It more about moving the contact from toe-center, heel-center to center.

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Are you hitting shots on the toe?  Here's a good check to see what you need.

Draw a vertical line on the back of a ball with a sharpie and if the mark on the face isnt vertical, assuming no severe swing issues, your lie angle is bad.  The vertical line method is a more accurate form of lie angle checking than by using a lie board or impact tape.  If the line points to the left (11 o'clock) the lie is too upright, if the line points to the right ( 1 o'clock) the lie is too flat.

Is this a static check?

Or, do you make a full swing and the marker leaves a mark on the club face?

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Or, do you make a full swing and the marker leaves a mark on the club face?


How do you think the mark is transferred from the ball to the clubface? :-)

Yes, you make a vertical line, are careful about putting the line down vertically, and then hit the ball.

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Originally Posted by No Mulligans

Or, do you make a full swing and the marker leaves a mark on the club face?

How do you think the mark is transferred from the ball to the clubface?

Yes, you make a vertical line, are careful about putting the line down vertically, and then hit the ball.

Is it possible to lay a ball on the turf or even a tee with at least 1 degree of accuracy? I don't think I could even see the difference in 5 degrees. 5 degrees is a little over 1/16 inch rotation on the circumference of the ball, really? So if I can't, how can I say, the irons need to be adjusted 1 degree flat because of the line transferred to the club face? I say if you are not making crooked divots and the ball goes where you aim (most of the time) then the lie adjustment is good enough. What say you?

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Is it possible to lay a ball on the turf or even a tee with at least 1 degree of accuracy? I don't think I could even see the difference in 5 degrees. 5 degrees is a little over 1/16 inch rotation on the circumference of the ball, really? So if I can't, how can I say, the irons need to be adjusted 1 degree flat because of the line transferred to the club face? I say if you are not making crooked divots and the ball goes where you aim (most of the time) then the lie adjustment is good enough. What say you?


I think… you'd be surprised how much of an angle you can guess.

Guess the angle between these lines:

I would not pay much attention to divots.

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