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Anyone know if there is a set policy for listing players on the leaderboard when they have the same score?  How is it determined in which order the players are listed?

I've tried to figure it out on my own, to no avail.

If there's a link out there which covers this topic, please share.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by wannabe

Anyone know if there is a set policy for listing players on the leaderboard when they have the same score?  How is it determined in which order the players are listed?

I've tried to figure it out on my own, to no avail.

If there's a link out there which covers this topic, please share.

Thanks!

Typically by order of finish - earlier finishers listed first - but some TV networks list alphabetically and others by who they want to show on that compressed version during the broadcast. I think the pairings are done by finishing times and that's what PGATour.com typically lists on their leaderboard.

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Originally Posted by sean_miller

Typically by order of finish - earlier finishers listed first - but some TV networks list alphabetically and others by who they want to show on that compressed version during the broadcast. I think the pairings are done by finishing times and that's what PGATour.com typically lists on their leaderboard.

It's almost always the bold one on TV in the U.S. (and probably Canada).

Tiger Woods can shoot 73 to finish at -6 but you can be virtually certain his name will appear atop the other guys at -6 regardless of the score they shot that day.

It should be LIFO - last in first out. This doesn't work the first two days of the tournament very well on the leaderboard (someone can shoot 73 in the morning and another can shoot 67 in the afternoon and the 73 will go out later on Saturday), but it should be the case on Saturday especially as order of play for Sunday is determined that way.

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Can anyone tell me what the rules are when a player during the course of a round improves by a stroke , and his name immediately goes up to the top of the other names who are at the same number . Is this the way it's always done , or is there more to the placement than what I've stated .

I also seem to see that in the opposite case ( a bogey ) his name then seems to always go at the bottom of the list of those with the same score .

A friend says the position is determined strictly by WHEN the player reached his number ( that is which hole he attained 3under for instance )

I can't find any reference to this arcane question .

Thanks for helping me understand ,

Michael

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True rules state that the first person in (i.e. the person on hole 15 should be listed before the person on hole 12) is higher on the leaderboard because they go out later the next round (if there is one), but TV will manipulate the leaderboard to show the bigger names in the higher positions.

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Lisa and I were watching the LPGA yesterday and she asked me a question that I couldn't answer.  Maybe one of you guys will know.

They showed the leaderboard several times, and there were a few golfers tied at like -8.  So she asks me how the network decides what order to list them in.  I never thought about it.  But I looked and it wasn't alphabetical.  It wasn't based on how they were performing in that particular round.  It wasn't based on where they were at on the course.

It looked to me like players that were tied were being listed on the broadcast according to their world ranking, but I didn't immediately look it up so I can't verify that theory now.

Does anyone know for sure?  Is it just at the whim of whomever creates the graphics for the network?

Thanks guys!

- Dave

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Honestly, I always thought it was solely up to the broadcast and they do it by who is most popular on the top of the list. For example, if Tiger, Phil and 3 other players were all tied atop the Leaderboard, you can be sure the broadcast is going to list Tiger and Phil 1st and 2nd among the tied players.
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Not sure but I found it interesting that Rickie was paired with Tiger after finishing T2 for round 3 because he was the first T2 in the clubhouse, heard it at the end of the day 3 broadcast. Maybe how far along they are in their round has something to do with it.

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Okay, got the final round of the Arnold Palmer on right now and here's a perfect example.

Paused it just a minute ago and this is what's on the screen.

FINAL ROUND

Woods -12 after 3

Fowler -9 after 3

K. Bradley -9 after 5

Wilson -9 after 6

Duke -9 after 5

Olesen -9 after 4

Fdez-Castano -9 after 4

See what I mean???

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Originally Posted by Dave2512

Not sure but I found it interesting that Rickie was paired with Tiger after finishing T2 for round 3 because he was the first T2 in the clubhouse, heard it at the end of the day 3 broadcast. Maybe how far along they are in their round has something to do with it.

Yeah, I was thinking it might have to do with their order or play, too.  But that doesn't add up.

Here's the order they were listed again:

FINAL ROUND

Woods -12 after 3

Fowler -9 after 3

K. Bradley -9 after 5

Wilson -9 after 6

Duke -9 after 5

Olesen -9 after 4

Fdez-Castano -9 after 4

Here's their scheduled final round tee times according to the API website:


Fowler - 1:40pm
Bradley - 1:00pm
Wilson - 12:50pm
Duke - 1:10pm
Oleson - 1:20pm
Fdez-Castano - 1:20pm

And here's their world ranking as of yesterday:

Fowler - 31
Bradley - 14
Wilson - 121
Duke - 153
Oleson - 41
Fdez-Castano - 32

So it's basically who the media THINKS we care about more?  Very odd.  Makes me wonder...does the NY Times always list the Yankees ahead of the Red Sox even if their records are the same?

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It disgusts me that the networks push Woods down our throats. It is supposed to be who went out first listed on top, especially if that person is already in the clubhouse. Today at the Masters Fred Couples is in the clubhouse at -5 and Woods is still on the course but they just couldn't wait to put Woods name on top. Couples score is officially -5 and Woods is not until he is finished and his card is signed. I can't stand Woods and I get so sick of all the networks focusing on him. Woods is not golf!
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I always thought at the end of a round, tied name placement went by world golf ranking. Guess I was wrong.

During the round, I figured it was the same, but never paid attention.

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The broadcast selects who they list first on ties with extreme prejudice. It is grossly unfair to the players they leapfrog in order to display their FAVORITES. It is a policy I believe the PGA should step up and correct.

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The TV broadcasters have taken it upon themselves to choose favorites, like Tiger. Even though there are procedures set in place to determine the standings order (for ties) they continually leapfrog other golfers that should have been higher on the standings. I don't have a relative playing on tour but I imagine some of the fathers or families of the lesser known players are upset that preferential treatment is being shown. It is unfair and there is no reason for it to happen. If you are looking for Tiger's name I'm sure you will still find it if it's listed in the correct spot.

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The TV broadcasters have taken it upon themselves to choose favorites, like Tiger.

No, the fans have chosen their favorites. They'll list Rory higher than he should be amongst ties, Phil, etc. too.

Even though there are procedures set in place to determine the standings order (for ties)

The TV leaderboard is not the official leaderboard, nor is it used to determine who goes out in what pairings at what times.

I don't have a relative playing on tour but I imagine some of the fathers or families of the lesser known players are upset that preferential treatment is being shown.

It is not preferential treatment - it's television. Those families are probably proud that their son is tied with Tiger Woods.

It is unfair

It is not.

there is no reason for it to happen.

Yes, there is: it's a TV show, and they want people to watch it.

If you are looking for Tiger's name I'm sure you will still find it if it's listed in the correct spot.

There's a big difference between seeing his name listed third on the list and seventh on the list, even if the scores are all the same.

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The TV broadcasters have taken it upon themselves to choose favorites, like Tiger. Even though there are procedures set in place to determine the standings order (for ties) they continually leapfrog other golfers that should have been higher on the standings. I don't have a relative playing on tour but I imagine some of the fathers or families of the lesser known players are upset that preferential treatment is being shown. It is unfair and there is no reason for it to happen. If you are looking for Tiger's name I'm sure you will still find it if it's listed in the correct spot.

If you think a TV producer is going to (or even should) cater their shows to the dozen families of pro golfers instead of the millions of fans who want to see Tiger Woods near the top of the leaderboard, then you really don't understand how the world works.

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The fans decide, c'mon give me a break, you're speaking in platitudes. Don't be so obtuse (shawshank). The Tiger's, Phil's and Rory's have and will continue to earn their spot on the leaderboards, why not let the guy who had a great round get the spot he EARNED that day or week? I'm not naive I know it will never change, but I'm speaking up for the little guy. LOL

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The fans decide, c'mon give me a break, you're speaking in platitudes. Don't be so obtuse (shawshank). The Tiger's, Phil's and Rory's have and will continue to earn their spot on the leaderboards, why not let the guy who had a great round get the spot he EARNED that day or week? I'm not naive I know it will never change, but I'm speaking up for the little guy. LOL

With all due respect, you're the one who is being obtuse. If the player wants to have a higher spot on the leaderboard, perhaps he can EARN it by winning a few billion golf tournaments like Tiger, Phil, Rory, etc.

As has been pointed out, the TV leaderboard is for television - it's not the official leaderboard, nor is the TV leaderboard used to determine pairings.

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