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Nearest Point of Relief & OB

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So today one of the guys I was playing with hit his tee shot and it was on the right edge of the cart path, right of the fairway.  The cart path was wide enough that in normal circumstances the nearest point of relief would be to the right of the cart path.  However in this case, about 2 feet to the right of the cart path was out of bounds.  Does that matter in coming up with nearest point of relief?  Obviously he cannot drop out of bounds.  Does that allow him to find his nearest point of relief to the left of the cart path?

In the actual event we weren't sure what to do so the guy just played it as it lied and hit a great recovery shot - good karma.

But I still wonder what, if any, relief options he should have had.  I couldn't find any relevant decisions.  There are decisions saying that if the drop puts the player in an untenable spot it is too bad.  But in those cases they can at least make the drop.  In this case the player can't make the drop.  It CAN'T make sense to drop it out of bounds.  So?

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The definition of Nearest Point of Relief gives the answer.

Nearest Point Of Relief

The “ nearest point of relief ” is the reference point for taking relief without penalty from interference by an immovable obstruction (Rule 24-2 ), an abnormal ground condition (Rule 25-1 ) or a wrong putting green (Rule 25-3 ).

It is the point on the course nearest to where the ball lies:

(i) that is not nearer the hole , and

(ii) where, if the ball were so positioned, no interference by the condition from which relief is sought would exist for the stroke the player would have made from the original position if the condition were not there.

Note: In order to determine the nearest point of relief accurately, the player should use the club with which he would have made his next stroke if the condition were not there to simulate the address position, direction of play and swing for such a stroke .

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In other words, if he couldn't drop and take his stance without getting full relief from the cart path such that he was in bounds (i.e. on the golf course), then the nearest point is, by definition, to the left of the cart path.

Remember, he has to take relief not just for his golf ball but for his stance and swing as well.

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Originally Posted by Rulesman

The definition of Nearest Point of Relief gives the answer.

Nearest Point Of Relief

The “nearest point of relief” is the reference point for taking relief without penalty from interference by an immovableobstruction (Rule 24-2), an abnormal ground condition (Rule 25-1) or a wrong putting green (Rule 25-3).

It is the point on the course nearest to where the ball lies:

(i) that is not nearer the hole, and

(ii) where, if the ball were so positioned, no interference by the condition from which relief is sought would exist for thestroke the player would have made from the original position if the condition were not there.

Note: In order to determine the nearest point of relief accurately, the player should use the club with which he would have made his next stroke if the condition were not there to simulate the address position, direction of play and swing for such astroke.

Originally Posted by iacas

In other words, if he couldn't drop and take his stance without getting full relief from the cart path such that he was in bounds (i.e. on the golf course), then the nearest point is, by definition, to the left of the cart path.

Remember, he has to take relief not just for his golf ball but for his stance and swing as well.

Thanks to both of you.  That makes it pretty clear.

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