Rotated Golf Ball

[bkuehn1952]

Originally Posted by szaino

I would enforce the rule exactly as it is supposed to be. If Corey Pavin thought the ball did not move based on looking at it from a few feet away, then that would be the final determination. If he thought it moved 1/8" or a 1/16", then the determination would be that it moved.

What I am saying is, if with your own eyes, on the course, at the time of it happening you can not perceive the movement, then that should be how it is determined.

I am against using high speed video cameras, zoomed in, played in slow motion, and as in Pavin's case, the ball may have moved literally +- a dimple, which the human eye couldn't even pick up, and then assessing a penalty based upon that.

We shouldn't be employing technology after the fact for such minute things which have no effect on any outcome.

Well said.  I totally agree.  Unless another player or rules official witnesses the situation and disagrees, one should rely on the human eye.

[szaino]

Originally Posted by billatthebar

well where do we draw the line?? if u notice even the slightest wobble then the chances of the ball being TO THE ATOM , EXACTLY  where it was previously then it has moved! so if we can use slow motion cameras for this should we be able to use electron microscopy to be absolutely sure??? lol i know this is ludicrous and that is exactly my point....if you see it move then it moved

"Moving" under the law of physics, is not the same as "moving" according to the rules of golf.

I understand your point, the rule really should be that if your club touches the ball there would be a penalty.

[luu5]

Originally Posted by szaino

"Moving" under the law of physics, is not the same as "moving" according to the rules of golf.

I understand your point, the rule really should be that if your club touches the ball there would be a penalty.

And I do not understand why they left oscillation there, as it just makes it more complicated.

[vmsea]

Add on question, and not meant to thread drift..

but say i'm walking towards my ball in a pine needle/branch infested area.. i'm 2 feet away but a rock or something moved, causing a cascade of movement, thus moving the ball.

no intent, just walking towards the ball.

is that a penalty?

[Rulesman]

If you caused the rock to move, yes.

[ApocG10]

Glad we rarely have pine to deal with in this area. Some large spruce, but this part of the province is dominated by hardwoods (Oak, maple, birch), the only softwood we have alot of is poplar, and since it grows in swamps, it is very unlikely to see any of them around a golf course.

We do have our problems with Maple seeds in the fall though, those helicopter blade looking things that fall from our massive amounts of hardwood in the area.