November 22, 1963

[Phil McGleno]

Been huntin for a long time and never saw an animal flinch towards me when I shot it like Kennedys head.

[cipher]

I have hunted for a long time as well. Never tried to shoot something in the head with a high powered rifle. Watch this gel test. Look how the block moves backwards. Look at the pressure that builds up inside the soft tissue. The spatter in the video is consistent with an exit out the front and the head going back is consistent with the pressure releasing out the front. [VIDEO]http://youtu.be/sGYF8DTLcj4[/VIDEO]

[cipher]

This watermelon shot as well. Initial splatter out the front, you can see how the pressure builds up releases out the front like a jet stream and pushes much of the mass backwards. A second shooter would have had to shot the back of the head IMO. I better stop now before someone knocks on my door. ;) [VIDEO]http://youtu.be/dyPuZYQ8ANg[/VIDEO]

[Ernest Jones]

We used to shoot groundhogs at 200-300 yards for farmers and they're awfully small at that distance, but we also had tens of seconds to wait for the shot.

Pfft...I used to bullseye womp-rats from my T-16 back home.

[cipher]

Pfft...I used to bullseye womp-rats from my T-16 back home.

Why didn't you just use the force smart ass? :)

[iacas]

Nate, neither of those videos show something moving backward. The majority of the watermelon goes in the same direction of the bullet. Ditto the gel, with the exception that gel doesn't really "fracture" but sticks together more, expands, stretches, etc.

I'm not of the opinion that the puff of pink on the front of Kennedy's head indicates at all that the shot came from in front of him - it lends more credence to the latter. The skull fragment on the rear of the car isn't proof of a front shot either.

But those videos don't help the case that the shot came from behind, really. They don't help either case, from what I know.

P.S. I have seen things move in the opposite direction of a bullet. The bullet goes through something so quickly that it almost acts like pulling the tablecloth out from under the dishes, and then the reaction of the "material" flying out causes an opposite reaction the other way (like letting the air out of a balloon suddenly).

[cipher]

Nate, neither of those videos show something moving backward. The majority of the watermelon goes in the same direction of the bullet. Ditto the gel, with the exception that gel doesn't really "fracture" but sticks together more, expands, stretches, etc.

I'm not of the opinion that the puff of pink on the front of Kennedy's head indicates at all that the shot came from in front of him - it lends more credence to the latter. The skull fragment on the rear of the car isn't proof of a front shot either.

But those videos don't help the case that the shot came from behind, really. They don't help either case, from what I know.

I don't know why we see it differently.   The gel block moves left from the edge of the blocks it is sitting on.  The same with most of the rinds of the watermelon as I see it.  Anyway I better stop with this topic before I end up the topic somewhere else.

[iacas]

I don't know why we see it differently.   The gel block moves left from the edge of the blocks it is sitting on.  The same with most of the rinds of the watermelon as I see it.  Anyway I better stop with this topic before I end up the topic somewhere else.

You're seeing the recoil or "rebound" of the gel and you're not accounting for the amount of mass from the watermelon because it's small tiny pieces on the right and big chunks on the left (a little bit of this applies to the gel as well).

And you missed my P.S. :)

[cipher]

You're seeing the recoil or "rebound" of the gel and you're not accounting for the amount of mass from the watermelon because it's small tiny pieces on the right and big chunks on the left (a little bit of this applies to the gel as well). And you missed my P.S. :)

I did miss that and exactly the mass that stays more intact is capable of rebounding back just like Kennedy's remaining...ah...mass did. Stop Nate stop! ;)

[Chris E]

Those videos upthread are perfect case scenarios; Kennedy was not shot flush if the autopsy photos I have seen are real. Besides, they don't even remotely reflect what is actually seen in the Zapruder film...his head and body snap violently backwards, not this minor recoil shown in the video. I too have done a lot of hunting and have never seen such a thing. I guess I was doing it wrong all those years in the duck blind....just wait until they flare out of the decoys in front of me going away, shoot them, then they recoil backwards and fall into my blind. No more having to deal with a dog or trudging through the mud. Why didn't I think of that?

I also saw a recent doc where a Marine sharpshooter barely shot 3 times in 5.6 seconds, at stationary targets. He was skeptical Oswald could pull it off with a moving target under real world conditions in Dealey Plaza, with that weapon.

So, we have:

1) Nutjob migrating back and forth to Russia, welcomed with open arms back to the US

2) Nutjob has meetings with questionable characters and foreign governments

3) Nutjob coincidentally happens to get a job in a building on the route in a specific city the president is visiting

4) Nutjob makes miraculous shots with cheap weapon, Kennedy recoiling in the direction of "shot"

5) Numerous eyewitnesses report shot heard from the front.

6) Nearly pristine bullet that goes through 2 people breaking bones is found on a bed in a hospital after falling out of Connelly's leg (This is so fricking unbelievably stupid I have difficulty typing it)

7) Nutjob gets killed by a person with checkered character prior to his trial

Now, add all of those things up. Most of us would at least look at each of them with some initial skepticism, but perhaps ultimately dismiss them on their own. All of them taken as a whole ratchets my skepticism way up the meter.

[Mr. Desmond]

Those videos upthread are perfect case scenarios; Kennedy was not shot flush if the autopsy photos I have seen are real. Besides, they don't even remotely reflect what is actually seen in the Zapruder film...his head and body snap violently backwards, not this minor recoil shown in the video. I too have done a lot of hunting and have never seen such a thing. I guess I was doing it wrong all those years in the duck blind....just wait until they flare out of the decoys in front of me going away, shoot them, then they recoil backwards and fall into my blind. No more having to deal with a dog or trudging through the mud. Why didn't I think of that?

I also saw a recent doc where a Marine sharpshooter barely shot 3 times in 5.6 seconds, at stationary targets. He was skeptical Oswald could pull it off with a moving target under real world conditions in Dealey Plaza, with that weapon.

So, we have:

1) Nutjob migrating back and forth to Russia, welcomed with open arms back to the US

2) Nutjob has meetings with questionable characters and foreign governments

3) Nutjob coincidentally happens to get a job in a building on the route in a specific city the president is visiting

4) Nutjob makes miraculous shots with cheap weapon, Kennedy recoiling in the direction of "shot"

5) Numerous eyewitnesses report shot heard from the front.

6) Nearly pristine bullet that goes through 2 people breaking bones is found on a bed in a hospital after falling out of Connelly's leg (This is so fricking unbelievably stupid I have difficulty typing it)

7) Nutjob gets killed by a person with checkered character prior to his trial

Now, add all of those things up. Most of us would at least look at each of them with some initial skepticism, but perhaps ultimately dismiss them on their own. All of them taken as a whole ratchets my skepticism way up the meter.

Too many people involved in your scenario.

[Chris E]

Too many people involved in your scenario.

My scenario? I listed facts. I find the coincidence of all those facts is extremely fishy, compounded by what I know about physics and what I see with my own eyes. There's alot of things being done even right now you are unaware of by the govt and the powerful. I don't give the benefit of the doubt to those entities or the rogue just because of silence, especially in light of the facts and the circumstances, as you do.

[teamroper60]

My scenario? I listed facts. I find the coincidence of all those facts is extremely fishy, compounded by what I know about physics and what I see with my own eyes.

There's alot of things being done even right now you are unaware of by the govt and the powerful. I don't give the benefit of the doubt to those entities or the rogue just because of silence, especially in light of the facts and the circumstances, as you do.

I agree with you..    I don't buy the idea that "somebody would've talked by now" at all.  First off, millions saw Oswald get killed on live TV.   If the conspirators were capable of killing on live TV, they were certainly capable of killing elsewhere as needed to ensure secrecy.

[Web Junky]

Dozens of potential whistleblowers were silenced forever, beginning with Oswald himself. This is factual. I also believe the "shooter's nest" in Dallas is configured for public viewing in such a way as to prevent an actual view from the window down the alleged bullets' paths. Anybody here been there that can corroborate this?