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I am trying to find out if any golf course around has an Over 50 league.  I am 46 (the youngest in the league) and have been a member of a league for 3 years, at an executive board meeting the "older ladies" decided to exclude me they would propose to make their league an over 50 league.  I am trying to find out first if any other course has such leagues and if so did they originally start that way or one day was there a vote to exclude people.  Secondly I am trying to find out if this is legal or a discrimination issue I can follow up on.  I have support from the golf course but they say since the league is independently ran they can't change if the vote is done to exclude under 50.  I have not found a course where I live that would even support such a decision most pros say they would not allow it at their course.  The executive members state they want to run things like the PGA Seniors and be over 50 so the older ladies do not have to compete with the younger ladies. The problem with this theory is that the Senior PGA Tour does not utilize a handicap system like we do.  The only tournament I actually win is the club championship, the monthly tournaments and weekly games that are played I do not win due to the fact that for 9 holes we have some ladies who have a 36 handicap.  I am just curious as to any thoughts on this.  April 2, 2014 is the vote.

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Suggest to them "divisions" within the league. They can offer an "overall" division and a "seniors" division and if players want they can play in both or only one.

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A lot of courses will have different types of leagues (i.e. men's leagues, women's leagues, senior's leagues, couple's leagues, etc...). I would imagine most were created that way, and didn't switch from one all-inclusive league to a specific one. I

I don't know the legal side of issues like this, but I'd love to be kept informed to see the outcome.

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Seems if there's a vote and enough people vote for it to pass, there won't be much you can do about it.  I think it's pretty lame of them given you're only 4 years younger.

Would anyone else in the league be affected or are you the only one under 50?  If not, this could be personal and a way for them to kick you out of the league without prejudice.

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I am trying to find out if any golf course around has an Over 50 league.  I am 46 (the youngest in the league) and have been a member of a league for 3 years, at an executive board meeting the "older ladies" decided to exclude me they would propose to make their league an over 50 league.  I am trying to find out first if any other course has such leagues and if so did they originally start that way or one day was there a vote to exclude people.  Secondly I am trying to find out if this is legal or a discrimination issue I can follow up on.  I have support from the golf course but they say since the league is independently ran they can't change if the vote is done to exclude under 50.  I have not found a course where I live that would even support such a decision most pros say they would not allow it at their course.  The executive members state they want to run things like the PGA Seniors and be over 50 so the older ladies do not have to compete with the younger ladies. The problem with this theory is that the Senior PGA Tour does not utilize a handicap system like we do.  The only tournament I actually win is the club championship, the monthly tournaments and weekly games that are played I do not win due to the fact that for 9 holes we have some ladies who have a 36 handicap.  I am just curious as to any thoughts on this.  April 2, 2014 is the vote.


Was the league always an over 50 league and they had been basically bending the rules by letting you play?  Or is the over 50 thing a new concept?   If it has always been an over 50 league, maybe you have some angle with them, since they had been bending the rules for the past 3 years but if it the idea is to change the rules to require league players to be over 50, then they are basically abolishing the old league and creating a new one, in which case I think you are SOL.

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it has been an "everyone welcome" league. As quoted by the treasurer "they don't want you to win". They want me to continue to play as a guest - but not be able to win any events/prize money.
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a problem with that is right now I am the only under 50. They have flights in the league - (A-D). But I will suggetst that as I hope to get more ladies to play.
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I am the only under 50 person - but the funny thing is they want me to continue to play as a "guest" because the treasurer told me "they don't want me to win.
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You should let them know a handicap does not know age...

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it has been an "everyone welcome" league. As quoted by the treasurer "they don't want you to win". They want me to continue to play as a guest - but not be able to win any events/prize money.

Honestly, if they are changing the rules to keep you from winning, then I wonder why you want to continue to play with these people but I guess that is a personal decision for you.   However, it seems to me they are effectively dissolving the old "everyone welcome" league and forming an "over 50" league.   Probably not much you can do about that..

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I joined this league to play with my mother who is a snow bird and it was a way for me to spend extra time with her when she was in town, which is another awkward piece to my dilemma.
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In the Phoenix area there are many "senior" leagues on various golf courses, mostly Municipal courses but some other daily fee also.  The definition of senior varies but in general 50 years of age is the lowest limit I know of.  But these same courses also have no age limit men's and women's leagues available.

For whatever it is worth, if it was me, I just find a group that welcomes me as a member and move on.

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I joined this league to play with my mother who is a snow bird and it was a way for me to spend extra time with her when she was in town, which is another awkward piece to my dilemma.

It seems pretty clear to me that the gals in that league are trying to exclude you. So, why don' t you and your Mother just play together then and forego the league altogether? That seems the simplest solution for everyone and I see nothing awkward about it at all. Your Mother isn't there part of the time anyway, so it shouldn't really be an issue. But I sense there is something else to this since in your first post you also asked about legal action.......

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