• Announcements

    • iacas

      Create a Signature!   02/05/2016

      Everyone, go here and edit your signature this week: http://thesandtrap.com/settings/signature/.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
mikeylikesgolf

Golf is a dying. How to make it more popular!

94 posts in this topic

More golf courses are closing every day. Many golf retailers describe their business as down by a third from 5 years ago. What can be done to grow golf and make it more fun and profitable for all in the sport?

I have thought about it and have a few ideas that might help:

1. Have 2 flags on every green and play to the closest one.

2. Allow the hand wedge- throwing the ball.(for beginners)

3. Mow the roughs to make play easier and speed up the game.

4. Reward fast play with a 2 shot reduction in score.

Just thinking. Any thoughts?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Want to get rid of this advertisement? Sign up (or log in) today! It's free!

In my opinion one of the reasons I think golf has been struggling is that the economy made it hard for people to have the disposable income required to take it up and/or play. Golf is pretty expensive. Also, one of the reasons for the "explosion" of popularity of golf was due to the fame of Tiger, and now even that has calmed down.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

I think it's two fold, time and money, 5 or 6 hour rounds on a public course is not uncommon in my area, and $40 - $80 a round either (not to mention the price of equipment).  I think it's a question of reducing one or the other, changes are money won't go down, so a matter of reducing the time it takes to play.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Advertise it as a family sport. A family sport being not as competitive as other sports.

Many courses are already reacting in the Los Angeles greater area, by attracting more families. The successful ones charge a lot less for the kids, and of course, the parents go along with them. If it costs $60 for a family of 4 to ride out on a course for 4 hours, they will pay it. Families like to go out in the mid-late afternoons too, so they could readily go on twilight hours.

Families can play the game together. Make it less competitive for the family to enjoy. The game could be played scramble format with: kids vs.parents, moms vs. dads, sisters vs. brothers etc.

Kids like playing naturally, I think what turns off many of them are excessive rules and the distances of the courses.

I would never have thought that the par 3 and the 3000 yard executive courses would do well, but they are doing really well. The primary reason is that they cater to families.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

The money seems to be a common problem. I was into competitive handgun shooting sports until the price of ammo skyrocketed! Golf seems reasonably priced compared to the shooting sports, even when you lose a golf ball or two!

I like the idea of promoting it as a family sport!

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Golf doing well in TX, probably due to the economy, which is due to the conservative government. So, to make golf more popular in some of the struggling regions of our fair land, vote conservative and unleash some of the trillions companies are sitting on.
1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

Golf doing well in TX, probably due to the economy, which is due to the conservative government.

So, to make golf more popular in some of the struggling regions of our fair land, vote conservative and unleash some of the trillions companies are sitting on.

This can go tangential... :-O

Golf if not dying.  It's just trying to adjust post Tiger era.  It will continue to grow but much slower speed than we have seen past decades.  Growth in golf has been insane just as Tiger's career has been so far.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One thing I have found in the last few weeks a lot of courses do not offer Jr rates until 12:00 or later. Or they don't offer at all on the weekends.

My son and I play every week so to play some what nice course is $48 on up per person. Compound this with lessons, range cards, balls it can add up.

I would assume a young family just cant afford this, and it seems some of the courses would rather not have kids play?

But Lihu I would agree that if a course offered more of a family value you may find more family's playing, I would think this would help grow the game.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In my opinion one of the reasons I think golf has been struggling is that the economy made it hard for people to have the disposable income required to take it up and/or play. Golf is pretty expensive. Also, one of the reasons for the "explosion" of popularity of golf was due to the fame of Tiger, and now even that has calmed down.

Explosion of watching golf not playing it. Golf participation levels since tiger turned pro have trended down? I'm not blaming this on him. But rather pointing a non truth. There was also a build up of courses anticipating growth....that the media hyped,but it never materialized.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Explosion of watching golf not playing it. Golf participation levels since tiger turned pro have trended down? I'm not blaming this on him. But rather pointing a non truth. There was also a build up of courses anticipating growth....that the media hyped,but it never materialized.

Wait, so there wasn't a large increase in players of golf when Tiger first came on the scene and gained widespread notoriety? Funny, because I was pretty sure a lot of parents got into golf as well as getting their kids into golf thinking it they may have the next phenom. I could have mistaken how much of an impact that was on the numbers of people golfing though. I know for a fact that there was a pretty large increase in kids taking up golf during that time in my area and parents along with them. Could have been something that didn't repeat everywhere though.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

I don't buy the "time" excuse for golf, or anything for that matter.  If something is important or worthwhile, you would make time for it.  Period.  Like I've said before I think it comes down to cost.  People eat a lot of garbage food like McDonalds because of cost, much of their entertainment is TV/movies because of cost, etc.  If golf was more affordable I think you'd see many more people playing it.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think that golf has been declining for a bunch of reasons the biggest one being money.  Clubs are expensive, balls are expensive, a round of golf is very expensive and to top all of that off, golf is hard ! It is very easy to lose interest in the game quickly especially if you dont have the time and money to practice enough to make playing worth it.  A big way to make the game more popular would be for courses to reduce these costs by offering deals on tee times and in particular deals for kids to play with parents at a very low price--if it were to only cost an extra 10 bucks for a parent to bring their kid along instead of paying a full green fee for them it would give parents incentive to bring their kids golfing and get them interested in the game.  Also discounts on lessons or courses sponsoring "learn to golf days" where someone new to the game can pay a small amount ($5, $10 or $20 depending on the course) for a few hours of a group lesson to learn the basics of the game including full swing, short game, and course etiquette and then end the day with a free 9 holes or something.  programs like this might be able to get people who have had an interest in the game a little more actively involved since they wont have to invest too much money to give the game a try.

I also saw another very good idea at a course that i played this weekend.  The course had an extra set of what must have been "junior" tee markers on every hole which were in the fairway, never further than 100 yards from the green and some as close as 10 yards off the green.  The markers don't really cost the course anything, are a great place for someone who is just learning the game to start and they would still be able to maintain a decent pace of play since the kids (or novices to the game) that would use the tee would take forever to make it all the way down a 500 yard par 5

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's not dying.  It's just regressing to it's own mean.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't buy the "time" excuse for golf, or anything for that matter.  If something is important or worthwhile, you would make time for it.  Period.  Like I've said before I think it comes down to cost.  People eat a lot of garbage food like McDonalds because of cost, much of their entertainment is TV/movies because of cost, etc.  If golf was more affordable I think you'd see many more people playing it.

I disagree. Time is an issue. For players like us (those that love golf to the point that we go on the internet to talk about it) it's not as big of an issue as our love for the game is strong enough that we are going to play regardless. However for somebody just getting into the game or players not as dedicated time is a big factor. On a good day, a round can take 4 hours and when you start talking about rounds that hit and exceed the 5 hour mark, it becomes not worth it for many. It's frustrating when you feel like you have to wait on every shot and there aren't a lot of people willing to pay $50 or more to be frustrated.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

I disagree. Time is an issue. For players like us (those that love golf to the point that we go on the internet to talk about it) it's not as big of an issue as our love for the game is strong enough that we are going to play regardless. However for somebody just getting into the game or players not as dedicated time is a big factor. On a good day, a round can take 4 hours and when you start talking about rounds that hit and exceed the 5 hour mark, it becomes not worth it for many. It's frustrating when you feel like you have to wait on every shot and there aren't a lot of people willing to pay $50 or more to be frustrated.

That's not what I mean.  I'm talking about the people who say they don't have time to do some thing that they apparently would like to do (implying their day has fewer hours in it than everyone else or something?).  It's mostly just a pet peeve of mine, I would prefer it if people would simply say they choose to spend their time on other things instead of saying they don't have time to do X thing (like golf)-- because that is the reality of what is going on.  If someone is a little bit interested in golf but not interested enough to spend 4 hours on a course, that's totally fine and I'm cool with that.. but just say so, don't throw some nonsense out there like you don't have time.  It's just a bogus, meaningless excuse that has come to annoy me over the years for some reason.

Anyway, carry on! :-P

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I really like the junior tee markers close to the green. That could be great for beginners and make for a nice day for a non avid golfer.
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am not seeing a down turn in MA.  Most of the courses I play are busy.  It has been tough to get on as a single.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

Golf doing well in TX, probably due to the economy, which is due to the conservative government.

The second I saw these two words, I knew this thread was gonna take a different turn than it was intended to. It is okay to look at perhaps the declining popularity of golf and the lost revenue to courses, but I think that just comes with the times. Honestly coming from many people that I know, they enjoy watching and knowing about golf when the pros that they like are in contention. Especially fro my dad and my uncle, both lovers of golf, but now that Tiger has gone for surgery and hasn't played in months, they sort of stopped watching it. Like my dad always says, "I will watch final round golf, as long as Tiger is near the top of the leader board".

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2016 TST Partners

    GAME Golf
    PING Golf
    Golf Evolution
  • Posts

    • 2016 Waste Management Phoenix Open Discussion
      Actually, they mentioned today that it's an environmental requirement imposed by the government; local, state or federal, they weren't sure.
    • Steel vs Graphite generic question
      Spin is OK though? I could be flipping a little but I may need work on Key #3 to get that launch down to where it needs to be... Because I SHOULD be carrying my 7-iron 160-165 with that speed.  Maybe the motor is fine (the shaft), just need to work on in-line impact more...
    • Finding Value in The Used Club Market
      I'm liking this:   That makes a lot of sense.  Local Retailers may be getting some of the last years models dumped on them when the new clubs start cycling through.  I was thinking about doing the demo days thing to get a taste of what is out there.  The R7 limited and R11 Taylormade Drivers were good to me.  I think a X2 hot/Big Bertha/etc/ect would probably be more forgiving.  Still, I look at the clubs of old... the Cleveland Launcher Comp / Callaway Hawkeye and think: "If I can buy that club for $20... and I can buy newer (used) for $50-$100... hmmm.  Spinning the wheels.  Thanks for the advice though I really appreciate it. If anyone has a Driver / had a Driver they loved from (2009-2014) let me know about it!  What did you like/didn't like?
    • My ex-home courses closing, changing - proofs that golf is in decline
      I just found out that my ex-home course, Sunol Valley Golf course, went out of business last month.  I played 2 - 3 times a week for 2 years not too long ago.  The course was done in by shrinking golfers, and 500% increase in water cost in the last 4 years of CA drought.  They could not make money.   Another ex-home course is now doing business as a golf and foot golf (soccer golf) course.  Golfing customers were not enough. Another course nearby (Santa Clara Tennis and Golf Club) is going to turn into a parking lot for a recently built football stadium. It is sad that despite improved economy in Bay Area, CA, golf business is in decline.  They have been in decline since 1990s but most of the courses around here survived 2008-9 recession.  The current drought and the resulting water cost going through the roof appears to be the final nail in the coffin for the weaker courses.   Sad.
    • Injury Question
      I didn't play golf for about 11 weeks due to it being difficult to play with work after day light savings time fell back.  Now, from the sounds of it, I played through the majority of the repair time as I walked 9 holes 4-5 times a week with 1 day of walking 18 for 7-9 weeks after the injury....I know, I'm an idiot. As it stands now I don't really notice it 90% of the time, its just something that pops up on a swing every now and then.  From the sounds of your healing time, I may have caused it to heal improperly leaving me with a hitch....  If I really just need to not do anything and it'll heal over time then I'd gladly do it, kicking and screaming the entire way as I already had a plan in place to push my handicap into the single digits by years end. I don't like the sound of having something happen as "I get older," I'm only 26 damn it .
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Images

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. onthehunt526
      onthehunt526
      (29 years old)
  • Blog Entries