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LOL! @mythbuster! Priceless chap! More! More! Can't wait to see a video of this Holy Grail set up.

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Honestly just seems to me like more miracle swing thoughts that were "light bulbed" from a beginner, with no evidence that it works for himself, let alone others. Have to admit I'm victim to this sort of stuff myself at times, as we are all desperate to "discover" which might lead to conquering the game. Most people at least are not so naive to try and feed it to people online, especially in disregard to the instruction of generous trained professionals.

Right now I have been working on generating club head speed. I'm having success from the top by pulling my left arm straight down closer to my body while simultaneously pushing outward with my right arm, and topping it off with pressing into the ground with my lead foot which extends my left leg creating the sensation of a sling shot effect that I find addictive.

I'm also lifting my toes up on the right foot (Wedzik drill) to make sure I don't get stuck on my right side i.e. not getting weight forward. I'm a high handicapper, but this helps me occasionally carry my 3w 270 yards.  My point is to demonstrate speculation on how a setup position might help me achieve a 3w carry of 270 yards? Setup, grip, alignment and etc. are all important but what you do with your body while still, has less effect on ball flight than what you do with your body in motion, and it's puzzling that the auto-setup has reference to motion outside of a (Cowen?) "chop."

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5 hours ago, mythbuster said:

anyway, i would like you all to consider this, but i know i am only a lowly 15 handicapper who hasn't written a book, but please be cautious as to your reaction as i could actually be your savior of the over hyped golf swing .

It doesn't matter if your a 15 handicap. If you were actually competent in your response it wouldn't matter. Yet your inability to articulate your responses is laughable. 

5 hours ago, mythbuster said:

anyway, i only stumbled on this miracle swing since i joined this forum, so i must give credit to all those that questioned my antics, as it actually forced me to think outside the typical nonsense that is bandied about.

Sure you did. 

5 hours ago, mythbuster said:

have a look at the wrist motion of the specialist long drive champs if you have reservations.

Why would I want to look at long drive champions when I should be looking at PGA Tour players who are much better at playing golf than long drive champions? 

 

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17 hours ago, RandallT said:

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A couple people at the range were talking about the 5SK training method as "old school", and that the new baseball swing is the "in thing". Not sure what they mean, but one had a really funky swing and the other didn't hit as far nor accurate as me. IDK why people try to find a "quick solution" like this. The guy standing next to me said that he got really tired quickly, but that it was worth the change because some instructor he knew went from driving 300 yards to 330 yards.

There are always going be people who think whatever. They refuse to believe that swinging a club is a lot harder than it looks.

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26 minutes ago, mcanadiens said:

Well. ... It would seem pretty easy to slag this guy off. Giving him a benefit of the doubt, I could do with some video. 

How bout it fella?

I second this.

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Since the odds of seeing a video are so incredibly low, some simple, direct questions @mythbuster.

7 hours ago, mythbuster said:

we have genuine discussion and that is why i am here. i am only trying to get debate, not opinionated opinion.

Please stop pretending that you're engaging in a discussion, until you:

  • Quote people to whom you're responding.
  • Respond to people who ask you questions.
7 hours ago, mythbuster said:

anyway, i would like you all to consider this, but i know i am only a lowly 15 handicapper who hasn't written a book, but please be cautious as to your reaction as i could actually be your savior of the over hyped golf swing.

Please avoid hyperbole. It insults the intelligence of those you're trying to help. It sounds like every other bad sales pitch they've ever heard about the golf swing.

7 hours ago, mythbuster said:

anyway, i only stumbled on this miracle swing since i joined this forum, so i must give credit to all those that questioned my antics, as it actually forced me to think outside the typical nonsense that is bandied about.

I don't want any of the credit for anything you'll have to say.

7 hours ago, mythbuster said:

the fact is this- GOLF is a VERY SIMPLE GAME, but is convoluted to such a level of idiocracy that it almost defies belief.

It is. You whack a ball into a hole.

Doing it is what's difficult.

7 hours ago, mythbuster said:

so let's get to my setup routine in more detail- if you bend down to pick something up from the ground, you will either collapse your right side or left side near your pelvis depending on whether you used your left or right hand.

Why can't you collapse both simultaneously? Or, depending on your definition of "collapse," neither? I can also pick something up with my right hand that, if it's to my left, results in what I think you mean by "collapsing" my left side.

Please strive to use words that have a commonly accepted understanding, or at least define how you mean things like "collapse." Are you talking about lateral flexion of the spine?

7 hours ago, mythbuster said:

you will also notice, which is absolutely critical to a golfing setup, that your chest will want to turn to the left if you are right handed. you must not try and alter this turning during a golfing setup, even though your chest is about 10 to 15% to the left and you are about 70% weight on the right foot.

I agree that if you reach down with your right hand to pick something up between your feet, and you use your left hand as a counter-balance and move it behind you, your chest will rotate and point a little to the left.

I disagree with measuring how much a person's "chest" turns by using percentages. I have empirical data of 100+ top-level pros (PGA Tour, LPGA, etc.) and none of them set up with 70% of their weight on their trail foot. In fact, very few of them have > 50% of their weight on their trail foot, and those are only with the driver.

What you seem to be recommending is that, if you stand vertically initially, and bend the trail side, you'll move your head back and shift your weight onto your back foot. That sounds like a horrible way to set up to me, but yes: if you just bent away from the target and were 50/50, your weight would shift to the trail foot.

Please illustrate this for us. Show us an image. It can be you or someone else. But pictures are worth a thousand words, as they say, and as your words are unclear, it should help tremendously.

7 hours ago, mythbuster said:

if you get into this natural position, then the best way to get max "whip" is to 'chop" at the start of the backswing, rather than the conventional 'garbage" that is taught en masse.

What is a "chop" and why should we care about max "whip"? What proof do you have of any of this? What is an example of this "garbage" that's taught, specifically as it relates to the instruction I have, so I can speak accurately as to whether you understand what I teach?

7 hours ago, mythbuster said:

have a look at the wrist motion of the specialist long drive champs if you have reservations.

Why don't you illustrate this for us, and in doing so, answer the question about how the long drive swing is a very different swing than the golf swing, because they have very different goals.

7 hours ago, mythbuster said:

by the way, in  closing, maybe i should write a book.

at least with my teachings i know that i am genuinely helping all those unfortunate golfing illiterates.

There you go with the weird ego thing again, dude.

My book is good. You should buy a copy, so at least you could speak about something you've actually purchased. You'd join the tens of thousands of golfers have already bought it, many of whom have given it glowing reviews.

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8 hours ago, mythbuster said:

you will also notice, which is absolutely critical to a golfing setup, that your chest will want to turn to the left if you are right handed. you must not try and alter this turning during a golfing setup, even though your chest is about 10 to 15% to the left and you are about 70% weight on the right foot.

This is a great way to set-up to hit pull fades and slices btw.

No player on tour sets up like this and in no way will it make your swing automatic.

8 hours ago, mythbuster said:

by the way, in  closing, maybe i should write a book .

at least with my teachings i know that i am genuinely helping all those unfortunate golfing illiterates.

You're deluding yourself into thinking you've helped anyone. Your posts are poorly written and you don't provide any examples. 

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Define "automatic" in the OP's view. My swing is automatlc once I start it from my set up position. It's not necessarly good or bad but it's automatic in a non sort of way. 

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IDK. Some of what the OP says makes a little sense while other things dont. At the very least it's some what of an interesting read. Rather it all works or not is beyond me since I still don't know what the nuetral set up is. I may have missed something.  Perhaps the word nuetral could have been replace with "natural". I use a some what of a  nuetral grip, but thats as close to nuetral as I know I get. My address position is natural for me. 

I don't think the golf swing is "simple" to learn, but I do think it has been made harder to learn due to all info that has been published about it.  

As for myself, all I want from my set up position, nuetral or not,  is the start of a back swing that gets me to the top of my swing in a position that is correct for my down swing and into impact. I want my clubface to impact the ball in the same position, or as close as it was at my address position. 

I won't post anymore on this thread, but I will follow it a little further. 

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And we have lift off! Unfortunately it appears as though catastrophic failure may occur when the "automatic" guidance system routes through the "reality-osphere".

This will be good if @mythbuster comes back for round two. My humble request is below:

Can we please see this "automatic" golf swing of yours, that will "save" my golf game and spark the authoring of a book dedicated to setting up correctly? If we don't have a video to show us this fantastic swing, I'll have no choice but to declare this myth  myth-busted-crop.png

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1 hour ago, Patch said:

Rather it all works or not is beyond me since I still don't know what the nuetral set up is.

He said it was 10-15 % (I think he meant degrees?) left and 70% of your weight on the right side.

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I, too would like to see a video of this miracle swing. Golf can't be that hard.

But in all honesty a mid-high handicapper can hit the groove on the course for a few holes where everything is going right. Where you're making solid contact, the ball is going exactly where you want it. Your swing feels effortless. You go a stretch of four holes at -1 or even -2. You realize it isn't that complicated, that all you have to do is keep making that same swing your coach was working on with you. See your coach makes it sound so easy. I know mine does. He keeps calming me down and reminding me about my primary swing thought, and I start hitting pure shots during my lessons. I wish this could carry over to the course. And they all basically teach 5 simple keys but don't call them that. It's just when you break down what they're teaching those keys are there. But golf happens on the course. Your concentration slips. You don't set up quite right. You shank the next shot into the woods. You get upset about it. And then golf absolutely punishes you for that. Why do these things happen? It's not that easy.

These things even happen on the range. I do five ball drills. Why is it I can hit the first four balls well, but that last ball is crap? It's the last ball in the set and it has some "meaning" attached to it. It could be the money ball on the course.

So if this guy has a miracle swing that can overcome that, I'm all eyes and ears.

I shouldn't have to hit thousands of balls a week and play hundreds of rounds to get this good.

 

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Sounds to me like he's trying to describe that set up that hilarious little Indian lady does on you tube when she kind of moves like a walker from The Walking Dead. I forgot what that "system" was called but is that what @mythbuster is describing?

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2 hours ago, Vinsk said:

Sounds to me like he's trying to describe that set up that hilarious little Indian lady does on you tube when she kind of moves like a walker from The Walking Dead. I forgot what that "system" was called but is that what @mythbuster is describing?

@logman was also from Australia…

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thanks iacas- at last a bit of deserved recognition with my own thread into probably what i must admit, has been my savior.

what i mean by that is something that may sound stupid to you, but it has turned my whole swing around and that is probably why i come across as being a bit half smart.

anyway, the crux is that i was bending down to the ball by collapsing my left pelvic muscles rather than my right, as i always set up with the left hand only.

ok, so i fixed this by allowing the right to collapse instead, but also freely allow the chest to turn to the left without any hindrance. this is in direct contrast of teaching , as most people are of the belief that the shoulder must be pointing to the target .

also, i just discovered that if i "allow" my left shoulder joint to come forward without tension at address, and not to stand with a posture like someone has a poker inserted in my proverbial,

i can actually get a 'grooved " swing by pushing the left shoulder down and when i do this, i do not dip like before , it just rotates around the upper horizontal.

the only problem now is that i am only hitting practice balls,  but still the changes to my own swing are so severe on my body during the follow through, that i am not that sure about being able to continue with this  as i think i have now a 20 year old"s swing in a 60 year old"s body.

that is what i would really like to pick your brains about- is it advisable for me to keep playing golf this way or should i just revert back to my hacker self ?

 

 

 

 

 

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