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About bones75

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  • Birthday 01/01/1975

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  • Your Location San Diego, CA

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  • Handicap Index 9.2
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  1. My lower back is by far the most sore part of body after I've shot a good round of golf.  Not sure why though.  I mean,  I know what I use it for, but not sure why it's the most sore part of my body, vs other areas.    
  2. Brilliant!  At a quick glance, it proves everyone who has already responded to this thread as correct!  Some ppl have large gains (greater than any slope / rating differentials bewteen tees) and some don't.  
  3. Declining returns of swing form

    All very helpful thoughts, but trying to bring this back to my original question.  I'm a family man and don't have that much time to exercise (outside of playing w/ kids), so w. the time my wife gives me I golf once a week and do 6-9 holes or hit the range on another day.  I feel like I'm plateauing as a golfer and think distance may be my next big thing to work on.  If my sole focus is be a better golfer, should I continue this (with lessons here and there, taking tips from TST etc..) or should i spend less time on the course/range and more time working out/fitness etc..  I know no one can truly answer this but me, just looking for guidance based on what i've told about myself so far...
  4. Such interesting responses.  Everyone sounds right in certain aspects.  Depends on course, depends on player.  I'm usually between a 8-12 index, and although it sounds ridiculous, it's true: I've actually broken 70 twice from the whites on my home course, and carded a 72 once (6,000 yards), but have never broken 80 from the tips (7,000 yards).  My strengths are my consistency, wedges and short game, and weaknesses in general are length. I'm not super short, but am by no means long. The reason I thought there is such a huge differential between white and blues for me is that from the whites i can have a PW or less into >50% of the holes (which I'm super confident w/), can shortcut 6-7 doglegs on par 4's and 5's, and can consistently reach one of the par 5's in two  From the tips none of this is true, a few of the par-4's are effectively out of reach for me, and all four par 3's are 50+ yds longer between the whites and the tips (mid irons not wedges, and woods not mid-irons). I'm probably just swinging a lot easier and confidently on days i play from the whites as well.   Home course (alas, just moved away): Shoreline Golf Links, Mountain View, CA.
  5. @saevel25  What you says makes perfect sense. But can't we agree that "in general" a golfer (in particular better golfers) will score better on the same course if playing from tees 1,000 yards shorter than another set of tees (assuming here not gigantic differences in slope)?  If so, then doesn't that allow for the "manipulation" of an index as I described?
  6. I've wondered this.  I play from whites to the tips depending on who I'm playing with, and maybe I shouldn't.  My handicap drops if I've played from shorter tees recently (e.g. whites & blues) vs longer tees (blues & blacks).  This is in part due to me not being a long hitter, but I'm thinking that the same applies to most golfers.  I.e. the decrease in slope/rating does not compensate enough for the scoring differences from tee box changes. Do other people think this is also true?  If Im doing my calculations correctly, for my home course where the slopes are blue=129 and whites=121.  A 1 handicapper's gross and net scores don't really change between blues and whites.  (needs to shoot a 73 for a NET 72 from either tees).  But the whites are over a 1,000 yards shorter than the blues, so I'm confident that same 1 handicapper could shoot much lower on average from the white's.  Likewise can you tank your handicap by always playing from shorter tees, and sandbag by always playing from longer tees? This whole question is kinda a "duh" question, but still... are you "supposed" to only use your rounds for your handicap when playing off of the recommended tees from the scorecard?  Do all scorecards have this info? Have looked for a similar thread here at TST but couldn't find one.
  7. Embarrassing moments...come clean here...

    There's haha embarrassing and then there's ashamed embarrassing... Early in my career, i used to get pretty salty and vocal about my bad shots (and they were all bad), thinking I was a much better player than what I was currently doing.  We all know the drill.  Had a particularly whiny day as a single playing with two guys that were friends.  They were good, and pleasant and smiling to me all day.  Didn't think anything special of the round.  Next morning same course, I'm in the pro shop and see one of them again, turns out we got paired up again.  He was all nice and looked glad to see me.  Outside the pro shop was walking to get my clubs when i could make them out on the other side of a line of hedges, but they didn't see me.  Evidently, the guy i met in the pro shop was just telling his friend who they just go paired up with.. his response? ... "Awwww man.. we gotta play with THAT guy again?". Like to think i have kept quiet on the course ever since then.
  8. Declining returns of swing form

    @Lihu: watching your video makes me think that more lessons may be the key to more distance.  Like you said timing.  My coach suggested I do a K-vest (sp?) and trackman session, but I kinda felt he was just trying to upsell me (more expensive lessons)  and up until recently felt other larger fundamentals needed more work before any finer tuning w/ deeper data analysis.  Do you think this is something worthwhile for my game?  Again when playing tips, i'm hitting 3 and 5 woods approaches into many par-4's, and my partners are hitting 5-7 irons.  Same on some par 3's.  (granted i'm more accurate w/ my 3-wood than many of them are w/ their 5 irons).
  9. Declining returns of swing form

    @Lihu: Thanks for the video!  Somehow it's inspiring, but maybe cuz it feels personalized to me based on a response to my post!  I will say this, i am definitely skinnier than that guy, but maybe not by a ton (believe it or not!).   I don't know what to tell you regarding my HC.  I don't get accused of sandbagging more than anyone else, but i do tend to win more $, but that's just cuz I think a lot of my friends are actually reverse-sandbaggers (if that's a term). I play by the rules, and am dutiful in entering my scores, looking at my spreadsheet: w/ 14 of my last 20 rounds from the tips (74.2/129), my avg score from the tips is 86.6 and from the blues (72.3/126) is 84.3.  Doesn't that support a 9.2 index?   The whiles incidentally are 69.9/121.  Shoreline Golf Club, Mountain View (I just moved to Carlsbad two weeks ago, havne't played yet, but will play Aviara on Saturday.  let's see how my home-course-grown index stands up then :)
  10. Declining returns of swing form

    You guys are awesome.  Yeah, I played with this guy that was a red-shirt at a D1 school who was built just like me, but was smoking his drives 50-60 yards past me.  But he was also 20 years younger than me, and I have always just chalked it up to youth when I see guys like that.  I figure I'm at the age where I should start considering keeping the flexibility I have vs getting more flexible (although I'm probably being too paranoid about getting older.. turning 40 has it's mental barriers granted). @Patch:  I also basically only use my mid & lower body in my swing (this change took me from a 25 index three years ago to ~10 today). Will check out the fitness section, but it sounds like fitness (not necessarily just bulking up) and speeding (while maintaining) my tempo may be what i should focus on for awhile.  (I also get a ton of compliments on my "tempo", it's just a slowwwwww tempo). @Lihu: How am I a 10 index if i've shot in the 60's?  Two reasons, and I'm wondering if anyone else is like this: (1) To be clear, i did say I "have shot in the 60's from the whites".. i.e. I don't regularly score that well, but I've gone under par twice and shot 72 once from the whites, which i play ~6  times a year when my dad visits from LA.  My low round from blues is 77, avg 83 (blues are 600 yards > than the whites on my home course) and my low from the tips is 80, avg 86.  These are also all on my home course (100+ rounds), which if you give me a wedge on approach, I'll very rarely go over par.   (2) my index does directly correlate to the tees I've played.  Despite index's factoring in ratings & slope, when I spend a few months playing from the blues (and sometimes the whites), my index drops by like 4.  Then i switch playing groups and play primarily from the tips and my index goes back up ~4 strokes.  I actually question the index system based on this, cuz I think you can tank ur index by playing whites. My current index is actually a 9.2 but it has varied between 8-11 this year and I just put 10 as a representation when filling out my profile, as I'm also insecure representing a lower-than-it-should-be-index based on one primarily one course over and over again. 
  11. Declining returns of swing form

    Hi all. I'm a 40 year old golfer who's played for 10 years, but only been serious the last 3 where I've played or practiced at least twice a week.  Basically my question is how important is fitness, more specifically, strength?  Don't know how to say this without sounding (1) arrogant and (2) like a person who thinks he's something that he's totally not, but..  I've been told my swing form looks near perfect.  I have a super slow looking swing, and have been complimented a million times about how my form looks like a pro.  the problem is, I'm just not long.  I'm 6'0" and skinny.. and when i say skinny, i mean SKINNY.  (like you can see all my ribs through my chest)   I'm not super short, I can still carry my drives like 220 (240-250 w/ roll), and bang some out further than that, and people are often amazed how long I drive based on how slow my swing looks.  I also have decent control on fades/draws w/ all my clubs (roughly 50% success rate of doing what I intended), and spin the ball back on my wedges (though not excessively where's its a control problem), and have a pretty good short game.  The problem is I can't really play the tips, cuz I just don't have the distance.  I have shot in the 60's from the whites (~6,000 yards), where I'm hitting wedges into 60% of the greens and can reach the par 5's in two, typically shoot high 70's low 80's from the blues (~6,600 yards), but am consistently shooting high 80's from the tips (~7,100 yards) where all my friends play. So of course, my form needs improvement (as we all do), but maybe the next best way to improve my game from here is to work out?  And I'm just not a work-out kinda guy.  was a long distance runner when I was young, and never really lifted weights in my life.   Am I fooling myself thinking my form doesn't still need improvement and take more lessons (I have taken 20 or so the last 3 years)?  Or do I just need to eat a sandwich and hit the gym?  My index is tied directly to what tee's I've been playing lately, so I don't really know what I truly am. I have never been a distance junkey, just want to be a better golfer and make more money in our nassau's, but at this stage, I'm wondering if gym time will yield better results than lessons and range time. Thanks, JB. and "yes".  EVERYBODY says i have a grandpa game.  Short, straight and consistent.