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		<title>By: David Minnick</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/extras/swing_thoughts/carolyn_bivens_courageously_running_lpga_into_the_ground#comment-17375</link>
		<dc:creator>David Minnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely love women&#039;s golf... the LPGA. Hey Annika how about taking over...you would be great!

How disappointing, that some local newspapers, newcasters and even sportscastors do not even update us on the LPGA or
Women&#039;s Golf at all.

We need to keep the LPGA alive and vibrant.  The LPGA what a quality product.  Get someone who can sell it!

Hopeful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely love women's golf... the LPGA. Hey Annika how about taking over...you would be great!</p>
<p>How disappointing, that some local newspapers, newcasters and even sportscastors do not even update us on the LPGA or<br />
Women's Golf at all.</p>
<p>We need to keep the LPGA alive and vibrant.  The LPGA what a quality product.  Get someone who can sell it!</p>
<p>Hopeful!</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Bain</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/extras/swing_thoughts/carolyn_bivens_courageously_running_lpga_into_the_ground#comment-14970</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Bain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from Bivens supposed shortcomings, what women&#039;s golf needs even less is a journalist who refers to the best female golfers on the planet as &#039;attractive gals&#039; and describes the job of the managing the LPGA as &#039;selling attractive women&quot;.

Here&#039;s the message to girls: if you arn&#039;t drop dead gorgeous, don&#039;t bother taking up golf because you have no value unless you are ATTRACTIVE. 

For boys - no problem - as long as you can golf you will be judged on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from Bivens supposed shortcomings, what women's golf needs even less is a journalist who refers to the best female golfers on the planet as 'attractive gals' and describes the job of the managing the LPGA as 'selling attractive women".</p>
<p>Here's the message to girls: if you arn't drop dead gorgeous, don't bother taking up golf because you have no value unless you are ATTRACTIVE. </p>
<p>For boys - no problem - as long as you can golf you will be judged on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/extras/swing_thoughts/carolyn_bivens_courageously_running_lpga_into_the_ground#comment-14325</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ty?
While he was commissioner he agreement to the worst tv revenue packages in the history of sports (which the LPGA is still working through), he dated a player (always a potential sexual harassment issue), later dated that player and apparently has stolen staff from the LPGA.  Doesn&#039;t seem like someone that cares about anyone but himself??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ty?<br />
While he was commissioner he agreement to the worst tv revenue packages in the history of sports (which the LPGA is still working through), he dated a player (always a potential sexual harassment issue), later dated that player and apparently has stolen staff from the LPGA.  Doesn't seem like someone that cares about anyone but himself??</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/extras/swing_thoughts/carolyn_bivens_courageously_running_lpga_into_the_ground#comment-14324</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;14323&quot;]I think it&#039;s time to let the players pick a commish......and Ty Votah should nominate the candidates.[/quote]

Ty Votah left the LPGA Tour, and since it&#039;s a player organization, they picked Carolyn Bivens as their commissioner. Your comment implies otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quote_header"><a  href="http://thesandtrap.com/extras/swing_thoughts/carolyn_bivens_courageously_running_lpga_into_the_ground#comment-14323">Cliff Lanphear said</a> on November 30, 2008:</p>
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I think it's time to let the players pick a commish......and Ty Votah should nominate the candidates.</p>
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<p>Ty Votah left the LPGA Tour, and since it's a player organization, they picked Carolyn Bivens as their commissioner. Your comment implies otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff Lanphear</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/extras/swing_thoughts/carolyn_bivens_courageously_running_lpga_into_the_ground#comment-14323</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff Lanphear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s time to let the players pick a commish......and Ty Votah should nominate the candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it's time to let the players pick a commish......and Ty Votah should nominate the candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: Michellealias1</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/extras/swing_thoughts/carolyn_bivens_courageously_running_lpga_into_the_ground#comment-12975</link>
		<dc:creator>Michellealias1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud State Farm and others for speaking out against the LPGA&#039;s outrageous proposal that all players on the LPGA tour speak English or face suspension by 2009.  It truly disheartened me that in this day and age, something so preposterous and blatantly discriminatory could be advanced by a well-recognized organization such as the LPGA.  It was even more troubling that it received scant media coverage or protest.  This was not an off-the-cuff comment that could be excused as momentary bad judgment or misguided resentment expressing itself through a poor choice of words.  It was a proposal that, one could only surmise, had been vetted and agreed to by the leadership of the LPGA as being appropriate.  I am still dumbfounded by the fact that not only one errant person but an entire group could come to such a misguided conclusion.  
  
	To imply that the English requirement was necessary to promote fan interaction and sponsor interest is to mask the ugly truth and motivations of the short-lived rule, which I don&#039;t need to spell out here.  It is particularly appalling in the context of a sport, the hallmark of which should be the unbiased, even playing field of a scorecard.  If the ability to interact positively with fans were the true goal of the LPGA, why not implement the strategy more fully?  Forget Q-school.  Let&#039;s have a popularity contest where fans decide by text message vote which players are worthy of participating in the LPGA -- an LPGA version of American Idol.  It would be a huge ratings hit and sponsors would line up to get in on the action. Perhaps points can be apportioned for personality, looks, humor, fashionableness, etc.  All of these factors could be justified as necessary to promote more positive fan interaction -- after all, fans appreciate these qualities in their athletes.   Why not?  Because it is clearly so ridiculous. 
  
	Just to be clear -- it is not wrong to root for your countrymen.  In the Olympic games, I&#039;m sure we all felt a measure of pride when Michael Phelps and other great American athletes mounted the podium for the playing of the national anthem.  The issue here, however, is about race.  I note that after the LPGA instituted its English requirement, it called together all of the South Korean players to make the announcement.  That&#039;s telling -- not the Italian-speaking, Spanish-speaking, French-speaking European players, but the South Koreans.  If this were merely a question of nationality, I would not have blinked an eye.  Fine, convert the LPGA into a domestic tour, don&#039;t hold any LPGA events in Europe, Asia or South America (hmm ... would the speak English rules have applied there too? or would English speaking players be required to speak the local language -- you know, to promote fan interaction?) and limit all players to Americans.  I would have questioned the wisdom and logic of such a move, but at least there would have been some semblance of fairness in that proposal.  Unfortunately, what the LPGA did propose was something quite different and uglier.  The ultimate effect of the LPGA&#039;s rules, as originally proposed, would have been to shut out most South Korean and other Asian players, leaving a much less competitive pool (except for Ochoa who appears to be the next Tiger Woods of women&#039;s golf) of mostly Americans and Europeans.   For the history buffs, I note the poll tax and its effects on the African-American vote.  Granted, voting rights and golf are not an equal comparison, but the strategy and effects bear some resemblance. 
  
	Some have questioned the legality of the proposed LPGA rules.  A few have smugly asserted that the LPGA can do whatever it likes and that English is the official language of the U.S. (which I completely agree with, but note that it inappropriately conflates two different issues).  Frankly, the bottom line is not what is legal or illegal, or what the LPGA can or cannot do.  The bottom line is that the LPGA should be better than this.  The United States is better than this.  When the Spanish basketball team produced the infamous (or perhaps not so infamous) &quot;chinky eye&quot; commercial, I was troubled.  I was troubled by the fact that it happened, that hundreds of people involved in the making of that commercial failed to exercise good judgment and human decency, that the players seemed unapologetic about their actions, that the media paid very little attention to the incident and that those of Asian ethnicity (including myself) didn&#039;t bother to speak out about it.  Instead, I was content to watch with satisfaction as the U.S. redeem team smashed the Spanish team for the gold.  I was content to tell myself that something like that wouldn&#039;t be tolerated in the U.S.  After all, look at what happened in the aftermath of Don Imus&#039; infamous comments regarding the Rutgers women’s basketball team.   I mean, come on, the U.S. is the country where Bella Karoli provides sports commentary for NBC in his fluent English, Arnold Schwarzenegger gives speeches impacting the entire state of California, and professional ice hockey is dominated by Canadians.   Thus, the LPGA&#039;s matter-of-fact announcement was a real shock and disappointment to me.  To be sure, the LPGA&#039;s proposal was a bit more polished and ambiguous than the actions of the Spanish basketball team or Don Imus, but it still felt like the same leap backwards.  
 
Instead of blaming others, Biven should start examining her own shortcomings to figure out why the LPGA is not capturing more fans and sponsors.  Besides, not every sport has a Tiger Woods or Michael Phelps, who by the way are still sponsors&#039; dreams despite the fact that the former is known for being aloof with the media and the latter had a DUI.  Biven&#039;s arguments are pathetic.

Does Biven even play golf?  None of the biographies of this woman even mention any sporting abilities.  Why is she even running this organization?

The LPGA needs to be kept accountable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud State Farm and others for speaking out against the LPGA's outrageous proposal that all players on the LPGA tour speak English or face suspension by 2009.  It truly disheartened me that in this day and age, something so preposterous and blatantly discriminatory could be advanced by a well-recognized organization such as the LPGA.  It was even more troubling that it received scant media coverage or protest.  This was not an off-the-cuff comment that could be excused as momentary bad judgment or misguided resentment expressing itself through a poor choice of words.  It was a proposal that, one could only surmise, had been vetted and agreed to by the leadership of the LPGA as being appropriate.  I am still dumbfounded by the fact that not only one errant person but an entire group could come to such a misguided conclusion.  </p>
<p>	To imply that the English requirement was necessary to promote fan interaction and sponsor interest is to mask the ugly truth and motivations of the short-lived rule, which I don't need to spell out here.  It is particularly appalling in the context of a sport, the hallmark of which should be the unbiased, even playing field of a scorecard.  If the ability to interact positively with fans were the true goal of the LPGA, why not implement the strategy more fully?  Forget Q-school.  Let's have a popularity contest where fans decide by text message vote which players are worthy of participating in the LPGA -- an LPGA version of American Idol.  It would be a huge ratings hit and sponsors would line up to get in on the action. Perhaps points can be apportioned for personality, looks, humor, fashionableness, etc.  All of these factors could be justified as necessary to promote more positive fan interaction -- after all, fans appreciate these qualities in their athletes.   Why not?  Because it is clearly so ridiculous. </p>
<p>	Just to be clear -- it is not wrong to root for your countrymen.  In the Olympic games, I'm sure we all felt a measure of pride when Michael Phelps and other great American athletes mounted the podium for the playing of the national anthem.  The issue here, however, is about race.  I note that after the LPGA instituted its English requirement, it called together all of the South Korean players to make the announcement.  That's telling -- not the Italian-speaking, Spanish-speaking, French-speaking European players, but the South Koreans.  If this were merely a question of nationality, I would not have blinked an eye.  Fine, convert the LPGA into a domestic tour, don't hold any LPGA events in Europe, Asia or South America (hmm ... would the speak English rules have applied there too? or would English speaking players be required to speak the local language -- you know, to promote fan interaction?) and limit all players to Americans.  I would have questioned the wisdom and logic of such a move, but at least there would have been some semblance of fairness in that proposal.  Unfortunately, what the LPGA did propose was something quite different and uglier.  The ultimate effect of the LPGA's rules, as originally proposed, would have been to shut out most South Korean and other Asian players, leaving a much less competitive pool (except for Ochoa who appears to be the next Tiger Woods of women's golf) of mostly Americans and Europeans.   For the history buffs, I note the poll tax and its effects on the African-American vote.  Granted, voting rights and golf are not an equal comparison, but the strategy and effects bear some resemblance. </p>
<p>	Some have questioned the legality of the proposed LPGA rules.  A few have smugly asserted that the LPGA can do whatever it likes and that English is the official language of the U.S. (which I completely agree with, but note that it inappropriately conflates two different issues).  Frankly, the bottom line is not what is legal or illegal, or what the LPGA can or cannot do.  The bottom line is that the LPGA should be better than this.  The United States is better than this.  When the Spanish basketball team produced the infamous (or perhaps not so infamous) "chinky eye" commercial, I was troubled.  I was troubled by the fact that it happened, that hundreds of people involved in the making of that commercial failed to exercise good judgment and human decency, that the players seemed unapologetic about their actions, that the media paid very little attention to the incident and that those of Asian ethnicity (including myself) didn't bother to speak out about it.  Instead, I was content to watch with satisfaction as the U.S. redeem team smashed the Spanish team for the gold.  I was content to tell myself that something like that wouldn't be tolerated in the U.S.  After all, look at what happened in the aftermath of Don Imus' infamous comments regarding the Rutgers women’s basketball team.   I mean, come on, the U.S. is the country where Bella Karoli provides sports commentary for NBC in his fluent English, Arnold Schwarzenegger gives speeches impacting the entire state of California, and professional ice hockey is dominated by Canadians.   Thus, the LPGA's matter-of-fact announcement was a real shock and disappointment to me.  To be sure, the LPGA's proposal was a bit more polished and ambiguous than the actions of the Spanish basketball team or Don Imus, but it still felt like the same leap backwards.  </p>
<p>Instead of blaming others, Biven should start examining her own shortcomings to figure out why the LPGA is not capturing more fans and sponsors.  Besides, not every sport has a Tiger Woods or Michael Phelps, who by the way are still sponsors' dreams despite the fact that the former is known for being aloof with the media and the latter had a DUI.  Biven's arguments are pathetic.</p>
<p>Does Biven even play golf?  None of the biographies of this woman even mention any sporting abilities.  Why is she even running this organization?</p>
<p>The LPGA needs to be kept accountable.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Junta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Junta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No big surprize -- Bivens truly is a  cancer.  She has left a trail of bones in the LPGA just as she has elsewhere.  Terminal myopia and all the charm of a rat in heat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No big surprize -- Bivens truly is a  cancer.  She has left a trail of bones in the LPGA just as she has elsewhere.  Terminal myopia and all the charm of a rat in heat.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Oh</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/extras/swing_thoughts/carolyn_bivens_courageously_running_lpga_into_the_ground#comment-12131</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny Oh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bivens needs to take a step back and look at whats going on.  I&#039;m not a Wie fan but I am trying so hard to be an LPGA fan and I find it so boring to watch or annoying or both.

She can&#039;t see that Wie makes it interesting?, the PGA exemptions should give her a slight clue.

I won&#039;t be watching anymore LPGA events since the European and Nationwide and Champion tour have better golf and show the entire telecast.

I feel bad for all the great lady players</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bivens needs to take a step back and look at whats going on.  I'm not a Wie fan but I am trying so hard to be an LPGA fan and I find it so boring to watch or annoying or both.</p>
<p>She can't see that Wie makes it interesting?, the PGA exemptions should give her a slight clue.</p>
<p>I won't be watching anymore LPGA events since the European and Nationwide and Champion tour have better golf and show the entire telecast.</p>
<p>I feel bad for all the great lady players</p>
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		<title>By: JOHN</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOHN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DQ MICHELLE WIE......for not signing  her card in the correct area???  Where was the Commissioner and her staff if not attending to such matters????
Bush League stuff that the LPGA can&#039;t afford.  There aren&#039;t enough stars on this tour to sustain it so there should have been personnel designated to protect against such an event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DQ MICHELLE WIE......for not signing  her card in the correct area???  Where was the Commissioner and her staff if not attending to such matters????<br />
Bush League stuff that the LPGA can't afford.  There aren't enough stars on this tour to sustain it so there should have been personnel designated to protect against such an event.</p>
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		<title>By: HARLAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>HARLAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think now?</description>
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