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Let's say a group (call them Group A) jumps to an out-of-order hole because they're tired of waiting for the group(s) in front of them. They find an empty hole and tee off, but as they're doing so the group from the preceding hole (call them Group B) comes up to the tee box. Is it reasonable and/or proper etiqutte to expect Group B to wait while group A plays out the hole, or should Group A pick up their tee shots and jump to another hole?

I ask because this happened to me yesterday. I was in the group that was playing the holes in correct order. When we came up on the group that had jumped, I politely confirmed they had jumped, politely asked if they were planning on playing out the hole, and when they responded "yes" I politely asked if they would not, pointing out it's not right for us to wait on them just because they didn't feel like waiting on the group(s) that caused them to jump. They reluctantly agreed to pick up.

Note that the hole ahead of us that they jumped to was not open because we were slow, it was open because the group in front of us (which we'd been waiting on the whole round, and which was probably responsible for backing up the course several holes back to where these guys had jumped from) had just left the course. Also note that it was the 15th hole and we were going to be pushing it to finish by dark (as it turned out we barely did). If either of the above had not been true (i.e. if we weren't going to be waiting on them once they played through, or if there was plenty of light left), I might not have said anything.

At any rate, the other single I was with agreed with with me, but I got to thinking after: It’s not much different than letting someone play through, other than the fact that they didn't ask, and they hadn't demonstrated faster speed...

Anyway, just wondering if I was out of line, and/or if there was an accepted etiqutte for the hole jumping situation?

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I am not aware of how you handle a group that is out of position, but it sounds like you handled it well. The shame is that the course was allowed to get backed up in the first place which is frustrating for all involved.

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Sounds like you were very reasonable in your request and I agree with how you handled it.

This goes to show you how there is a HUGE lack of proper course management due to Course Marshall's not having a clue how to manage golf groups and keep the pace of play moving forward.
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I have never heard of any ettiquette rules regarding this per se, but I would say the way you handled it was ideal.

I believe this would fall under the respect your fellow golfers umbrella. You showed respect by "politely" resolving the situation, and they showed respect by allowing you to play in your rightful position on the course. This situation may not have worked out as well if ya'll had come out swinging, or if they had taken an aggressive mentality to it.
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It’s not much different than letting someone play through, other than the fact that they didn't ask, and they hadn't demonstrated faster speed...

Those two differences you mention are key. IMO, to play through one (or more) group(s), you must:

1) Be playing faster than ALL of the groups 2) Have the permission of ALL of the groups 3) Have room to play! The only caveat being if, say, there's three slow groups and you catch up to two waiting on a tee. You ask to play through them at that point in anticipation VERY SOON catching the third group and getting through them as well. If you're going to just jump through, you can do that as long as those whose permission you DON'T have are unaffected by the jump. That is, get ahead of them and get out of their way before they have to wait on even one of your shots, and I mean for the WHOLE round. If you're on 12, and you skip to 14 while a group is on 13, play a couple holes and then hit the crowd again, that group you skipped is going to end up waiting on you, and waiting one group sooner than they would have otherwise. Thus, you've ultimately slowed their round down. This whole thing is why I hardly play anymore. Every course is crowded, no course works consciously and conspicuously to manage it and sooner or later, the slow AND the fast players are ticked off.

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You handled it correctly. A group or a single should always ask permission. If it's a log jam, the permission will usually be denied.

My ultra-high-handicap boss, who was having a lot of trouble, and I were following another 2-some very closely. One of the players was spraying it all over the course.

We had just waited almost 10 minutes on the 14th tee while they waited. Well, my boss had a lot of trouble on 14 and we fell 1/2 hole behind (we're approaching the green as the group ahead was hitting their seconds on #15).

I looked back and saw the 4-some behind us had finally caught us. I then saw them picking up their own short drives and started driving towards us. I knew what they were going to try to do. They asked to play through.

I politely explained we had been waiting all day, but on this particular hole we had some trouble. I denied them. We played on and they never saw us again.

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You handled it great. I walk 9 at least 2 days a week after work with another member, we both can usually keep pace with any 2some in a cart behind us, of course their is "that guy" who will push, had to let "that guy" and his buddy play through, well they were sorry golfers, and even took an extra shot when he was playing through on the par 4 we let them go by on! It was worth it to watch them spray shots all over the course as we kept pace, and we did keep the urge to hit into them under control.

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My club's policy is not to police the course they use peer pressure and if somebody asks to jump ahead, a group must give permission.

But I don't ask permission if I jump two or more holes ahead particularly because I play at a fast pace.

IMO groups greater than two should be disallowed regardless of how busy the course is. Large groups tend to get hung up on protocol so they never seem to play ready golf.
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I had the exact same thing happen to me a few months ago. It was incredibly crowded that day and we were having to wait on most every tee shot for the foursome in front of us. We came up to the tee-box on 7 and there was a twosome getting ready to tee off. We asked them where they came from and they said that they were sick of waiting for the group in front of them so they jumped ahead since they didn't see anyone on the teebox (it was an elevated tee so we were in the process of climbing the hill). We explained to they that since it was a busy day everyone was having to wait, and that we had been waiting on the group in front of us. They ended up teeing off anyway and we were left there to fume. Just before we teed off a marshal came by to see how we were doing, we explained the situation of the group that jumped and she said that she would talk with them. We watched her go talk with the twosome and then they kept playing and the marshal went on her way.

In my opinion, jumping holes is a huge breach of etiquette and should not be tolerated. I don't even understand why you would want to short-change your round anyway. I paid for 18 holes, I am going to play 18 and not skip a few.

Now this is totally different than allowing a group to play through as no one is skipping any holes and one group may be legitimately slower than another.

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Marshalls at the courses in my area rarely do anything but drive around and make sure you are sticking to cart rules. Many a 5 hour round I have endured due to 5 somes. It bothers me when folks get so worked up about waiting and slow play thay they forget why they are playing in the first place. Its a fact of life when playing this game and will probably get worse before it gets better.

I just try and do one thing when the pace of play begins to slow to a crawl, I would rather be waiting around on a golf course than doing practically anything else.
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I think you handled it well, and fortunately, they weren't jerks about it. Nobody has the right to jump or play through and then make you wait.

I understand slow play is frustrating. I figure that if I can shoot what I do and keep up, just about anybody should be able to keep up. But at the same time, I see a lot of people getting p'd off about slow play when there's really nothing they can do about it that won't inconvenience others. Jumping holes and then making others wait, or hitting into the group in front of you is not going to help the situation and often just makes it worse.

I don't like waiting, but the only time it really bugs me is when it's getting dark, as was the case in your situation.
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I do this alot in the summer when it's crowded and I don't want to wait. I jump all over the place to maximize my practice time on the course. But the one thing I will NEVER do is cut in front of someone and make them wait. That is ridiculous.
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Sounds like you handled the situation perfectly. Generally as long as the course is quiet and relatively empty I don't see a problem with it as long as some common sense is used. Problem is so often that common sense is not used and unfortunately this thing seems to happen alot. You'll have a person or group of people who skip around on slow days and then feel they have the right when the course isn't so slow and they see a small opening.

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i escpecially hate slow play, when everyone in a foursome has to all consult together or what not, but the reason slow play is bad is because some of us go out to play golf the best we can and pay alot of money to do so. i cannot play well if i have a 15min wait on every tee.

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I have no problem with people skipping in front of me as long as:

-They are playing as fast as me/us
-There is rrom in front
-They hurry out of the way if we should have to wait a second.

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by a group going ahead by 2 holes, aren't you wasting your money by not playing those holes? just seems dumb to me.

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I just try and do one thing when the pace of play begins to slow to a crawl, I would rather be waiting around on a golf course than doing practically anything else.

Well said. Couldn't agree more.

I don't think you were out of line at all, people should always give the right of way on a golf course, whether it is you waiting or going. Last time out we had a group skip in front of us. They went from the 5th green to the 14th tee instead of taking the long walk to the 6th tee. We were a foursome trapped in a sea of foursomes that day, however we were making great time. But for the last few holes we had to wait every shot on this group, one of the guys was playing extra balls too! It really irrated a couple of the guys in the group, but it was a semi-private club and pointless to raise a stink of it considering we were guests. As bad as I was playing it didn't faze me, gave me time to take an extra couple practice swings.
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