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post #181 of 199
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Originally Posted by LBlack14 View Post


Fixed it for ya.a2_wink.gif


Ha ha. Thanks. Must have been getting late. Funny thing was that I actually had hit a KZG driver I had in the closet yesterday before I wrote the comment and STILL got it wrong. :doh: 

post #182 of 199
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Ha ha. Thanks. Must have been getting late. Funny thing was that I actually had hit a KZG driver I had in the closet yesterday before I wrote the comment and STILL got it wrong. d2_doh.gif  

I played the "Q " driver & 4w for a while. I think their irons have a much better rep than their woods, but both are top notch equipment.
post #183 of 199
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Originally Posted by newtogolf View Post

If your budget was limited and you were fit for the clubs (something that isn't typically an option with used clubs) it makes more sense to go with clones.

I wouldn't put too much stock into comparing them head to head against your brothers and friends clubs unless they are set up with the same shaft as your clubs.  There are a few guys on here that own / owned clone clubs so I'm sure you'll get some more feedback on them.

BTW, welcome to the Sand Trap!
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Originally Posted by newtogolf View Post

If your budget was limited and you were fit for the clubs (something that isn't typically an option with used clubs) it makes more sense to go with clones.

I wouldn't put too much stock into comparing them head to head against your brothers and friends clubs unless they are set up with the same shaft as your clubs.  There are a few guys on here that own / owned clone clubs so I'm sure you'll get some more feedback on them.

BTW, welcome to the Sand Trap!

I wasn't really on a budget, but the whole fitting aspect of Pinemeadow was a huge seller for me as well. I didn't get fit in person but I used online charts based on height and wrist to floor measurements as well as a session at Golf Town using the TaylorMade Rocketbladez at different lengths they already had there. It was funny because my results ended up being what I expected before I had known anything about golf fitting. I use to tell my brother who I golfed with a lot that "I swear these clubs are too long". Who would have guessed every result I got from different fitting wizards (including Pings) had me at a -1/2 length & standard lie. Now I understand the whole "it's a game of inches!" But as I said before the truth will be in the results and how they feel.

PS: The reason I went clones is because I love a good deal. If I can get the same components at a lower price, it just makes me feel good. I can't really explain it. It my belief that many people by OEMs for image just as much as quality (if not more for image) and that has never been a concern for me. The value of a good deal is more important to me. Once again, just my opinion (for now at least).

As for the comparisons, I have used true temper shafts as well as apollos and I don't see a difference. That though, is likely due to my skill level. Once I get better, I'm sure I'll upgrade.

Thanks for the welcome anyhow I appreciate it! Hope to see you around!
post #184 of 199

I like the the name brand clubs and if you can afford them GREAT more power to you. I myself am on a very limited budget. so I am seriously looking into clones, the set I picked up at a thrift store are clones. and been having a better experience then what I had when I bought a low end off the shelf name brand.

 

Elitism has been part of golf for great many years. and it seems its still partially there. "I dont want the likes of this rabble on the same course I play". if that is you... stay with the private courses... please...

 

Let me ask you something... do you own an iphone, ipad, ipod, dell, gateway, sony computer, or even a macbook? If you answered yes to any of those.. you OWN CLONES. Every one of them are copying competitors products. innovations are few and far between. Most innovations are done at the manufacture or component design level. I used to build exclusively clone computers back from 96-01. I still build them for myself and friends. The parts are much less expensive to acquire and often are BETTER than the "name brands".

 

To prove this back in 99 or 00 I build a super game system and asked Falcon NorthWest for a similar build. they quoted me 2700 dollars. which a person from the flight simulator I played bought exactly that. I built mine for around 900 my market price would have been about 1200. stats and performance? Identical! even through torture testing both systems worked flawlessly and tied on numbers +/- .01%. the only differences was they used a scuzzy drive and I used an EIDE. and he paid 1500$ more for his system and after the numbers came in he had a LOT more buyers remorse. Moral of the story... if they work well and use the right quality of components and have knowledgeable technicians. why not save loads of money? the only thing you do have to worry about is finding the right place and components required to make those things line up.

 

Even the parts makers often use the same quality of sub components. EVGA was a 3rd rate company, now they make comparable level video cards that Nvidia uses to make their boards. am I saying that is the same for EVERY product out there in the world? no. generic mac-n-cheese still bites. mountain drop is just not the same as mountain dew. they have facsimiles but not equals. they use inferior ingredients.

 

buying ebay used? thats a huge mistake. you don't know if the loft or lie is correct which would cost 5-6 dollars per club. may need regripped, new shaft for your swing speed, new length, all of which add up more and more till you pay more for the Ebay and you have used clubs..... there is no warranty no customer support. so if you did all that and still not happy with the clubs you are just S.O.L.

 

if your income and budget allow you to go buy thousands of dollars of new clubs and have them custom fit to you. AWESOME.

if you don't fall into that category..... do some research and find a reputable place to do business. and if you STILL don't like the clubs I use... by all means set up a credit line and appointment for fitting at the nearest big box golf pro and I will go get name brand.

 

Just cause you bought a Ruff Porsche dont complain when the $12,000 souped up in a home garage 3000GT blows your doors off. you can keep patting yourself on the back cause you bought the "right" name. but don't complain that he paid less or he shouldn't be allowed on "your" streets.

post #185 of 199

With all the preowned sites, online discounters, and older clubs flooding the market, no need to play clone clubs.

post #186 of 199

I looked around for used for a couple of weeks. still... used you are looking at a MINIMUM of 250 and this is in "playable" or "value" condition for the model/design I am looking for. still not in my length lie or prefered shaft for the feel. so I would need to reshaft them, adjust lie, and still be using heads that have worn out faces, possible rust, and nicks and chips on it. just cause the name is stamped on the back its not worth spending 500 dollars getting these up to "par" and knowing they've been used and have NO return policies on them. discount and discontinued models are still 2-3 times higher then the clones. 

 

for between 250 and 350 (after all the additions of adjustments, grip, and shaft) not all of us can afford the Edel clubs at 150+ PER club. dollar for dollar and bang for your buck leans towards custom fitted clones.

post #187 of 199
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Originally Posted by Nytar View Post
 

I looked around for used for a couple of weeks. still... used you are looking at a MINIMUM of 250 and this is in "playable" or "value" condition for the model/design I am looking for. still not in my length lie or prefered shaft for the feel. so I would need to reshaft them, adjust lie, and still be using heads that have worn out faces, possible rust, and nicks and chips on it. just cause the name is stamped on the back its not worth spending 500 dollars getting these up to "par" and knowing they've been used and have NO return policies on them. discount and discontinued models are still 2-3 times higher then the clones. 

 

for between 250 and 350 (after all the additions of adjustments, grip, and shaft) not all of us can afford the Edel clubs at 150+ PER club. dollar for dollar and bang for your buck leans towards custom fitted clones.

 

Exactly what club are you looking for? Because you must be looking in the wrong place if you are seeing a $250 minimum for a used club.

post #188 of 199
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Originally Posted by Nytar View Post
 

I looked around for used for a couple of weeks. still... used you are looking at a MINIMUM of 250 and this is in "playable" or "value" condition for the model/design I am looking for. still not in my length lie or prefered shaft for the feel. so I would need to reshaft them, adjust lie, and still be using heads that have worn out faces, possible rust, and nicks and chips on it. just cause the name is stamped on the back its not worth spending 500 dollars getting these up to "par" and knowing they've been used and have NO return policies on them. discount and discontinued models are still 2-3 times higher then the clones. 

 

for between 250 and 350 (after all the additions of adjustments, grip, and shaft) not all of us can afford the Edel clubs at 150+ PER club. dollar for dollar and bang for your buck leans towards custom fitted clones.


$175 per club ...

 

At the same time, what has that got to do with the price of tea or used clubs?

 

(I did not always play Edel. But the Edels actually save me money because I no longer have a need to buy wedges or irons. But that is another discussion.)

 

I was discussing preowned or old inventory that one can pick up for a relative song.

 

What are you looking for?

post #189 of 199
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Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond View Post

 (I did not always play Edel. But the Edels actually save me money because I no longer have a need to buy wedges or irons. But that is another discussion.)

I understand the putter being permanent, but the irons and especially the wedges? Is it not possible to wear down the bounce?
post #190 of 199
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Originally Posted by Shindig View Post


I understand the putter being permanent, but the irons and especially the wedges? Is it not possible to wear down the bounce?


For me, it's more about the wear of the grooves.

 

If the Edel irons last 4-5 years as well as the  Gap, and SW, and the LW lasts 3 seasons, that saves me a lot of money. I used to turn over irons and wedges to the tune of 2-3 sets per year... Heck, if I keep a set for two seasons, as I have done with the Edels, that's more or less permanent for me. The irons could last 6 seasons or more.

 

To get back on topic, I've seen Adams and Callaway Iron sets a few seasons worn, for $200-250.

post #191 of 199

I like the RSi was my fav for consistency, Callaway BB irons (tho the look wasn't the greatest from the top they put them out there a good ways), and the G30s felt rather nice but distance and control were between the other two for me. 1/4" long 2* flat. stiff flex med/low to low kick points in the either 75/80g graphite or the 95g steel shafts. standard size grips (preference leans towards the GP multi compound grips)  4-pw and at the very least 5-pw

 

the reason I mentioned the other high end clubs was it seems most people that are first to slam clones are those that can dole out 1,500++ on their name brands. but even used, discounted, etc good luck finding a set that even after modifying/repairing (IF they can be repaired) comes close to the price of a clone set.

post #192 of 199
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Originally Posted by Nytar View Post
 

I like the RSi was my fav for consistency, Callaway BB irons (tho the look wasn't the greatest from the top they put them out there a good ways), and the G30s felt rather nice but distance and control were between the other two for me. 1/4" long 2* flat. stiff flex med/low to low kick points in the either 75/80g graphite or the 95g steel shafts. standard size grips (preference leans towards the GP multi compound grips)  4-pw and at the very least 5-pw

 

the reason I mentioned the other high end clubs was it seems most people that are first to slam clones are those that can dole out 1,500++ on their name brands. but even used, discounted, etc good luck finding a set that even after modifying/repairing (IF they can be repaired) comes close to the price of a clone set.


If it's all about price, go at it. They are your clubs.

 

I don't know why people even ask this question unless they are attempting to start a debate or have some insecurity. If you want a clone, get it. If people care what's in your bag, it's their issue. If you're happy, that's all that matters.

post #193 of 199
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Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond View Post

I used to turn over irons and wedges to the tune of 2-3 sets per year... Heck, if I keep a set for two seasons, as I have done with the Edels, that's more or less permanent for me.
Then you have more money than sense.

I agree you should be able to find a good set of name brand irons for $200 to $250.
post #194 of 199
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Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond View Post


For me, it's more about the wear of the grooves.

If the Edel irons last 4-5 years as well as the  Gap, and SW, and the LW lasts 3 seasons, that saves me a lot of money. I used to turn over irons and wedges to the tune of 2-3 sets per year... Heck, if I keep a set for two seasons, as I have done with the Edels, that's more or less permanent for me. The irons could last 6 seasons or more.

To get back on topic, I've seen Adams and Callaway Iron sets a few seasons worn, for $200-250.

I've only owned 7 sets of clubs in 40+ years. I get more wear with my grooves by hitting all over the face. I hit a few on the hosel to save the grooves too.

I've actually thought about getting some Ping K15 irons because of their titanium faces.
post #195 of 199
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Originally Posted by Phil McGleno View Post


Then you have more money than sense.

I agree you should be able to find a good set of name brand irons for $200 to $250.

Agree.

 

I need to allocate my resources elsewhere; and that is why I don't buy irons, wedges, fairways, hybrids or putters any longer. I was fit. Trying to limit myself to a driver once every couple of years or so if wanted.

post #196 of 199

Clone clubs can be just as good as the original, but I feel like if you want specific club you should buy from the original designer of the club as they spent the money for R&D. If they are functionally similar designs, the clone still might not have the aesthetic appeal of the original. For instance, I rented a set of Mizuno-like clubs and they didn't really perform all that badly, but they didn't look as nice as the real thing so it affected my "feel" a bit.

post #197 of 199
Hireko, Golfworks and Golfsmith all have great designs and playability in their clubs. Great customer service too.
post #198 of 199
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Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond View Post
 


If it's all about price, go at it. They are your clubs.

 

I don't know why people even ask this question unless they are attempting to start a debate or have some insecurity. If you want a clone, get it. If people care what's in your bag, it's their issue. If you're happy, that's all that matters.

thats what I was saying. the OP (did a search for clone clubs in the forum search and didn't notice it was an older post) is a brand snob shooing people away from clubs that may work well for them just cause of them not being a name brand. I was not trying to rationalize a purchase for myself. I myself, plan on getting a set once I can afford to (like I said very limited and fixed income). I felt that was where you were going with your first comment "there is no need to play clones". I apologize if this was not your intent.

 

and I dont care what people think whats in my bag, like you said its their issue, I care where my ball goes and I can still afford the round :) . but if someone can find new or like new clubs of those brands/models in the same price range. let me know :D .

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