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post #1135 of 1292
4/24/10 at 6:36pm

Re: To Blade or not to Blade?

yea i agree go with what you hit best no matter what it is. Only problem is, its hard to tell just by hitting a ball into a net.
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post #1136 of 1292
4/24/10 at 9:32pm

Re: To Blade or not to Blade?

I play with Wilson Staff Goose-Necks. I like the longer face they have and can work theball better than I was doing with my CB clubs. Off center hits let my know right away that I came over the top.
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post #1137 of 1292
4/25/10 at 9:48am

Re: To Blade or not to Blade?

Originally Posted by i-Guy View Post
My understandning is this is why most Pro's still play a blade style iron even with all the forgiveness out there with a GI or SGI club. I know some of them play cavity back irons but most of those clubs are still pretty close (specs) to a blade in offset, bounce, etc...
If you watch more carefully .... you will notice that at least 50-60% of today pro's are using Players Cavity Back irons.

I used to play Wilson Staff Fluid feel about 25 years ago, at that time I used to hit at least 300+ balls per day and spended hour after hour on pitching, chipping, putting etc.... I went to single figure within a few months, but you just have to enjoy working hard to really control blades.

After using a lot of SGI and GI sets, even with very low offset like in the TM Tour Preferred iron, I was about to go back to blades, I tried several, but my swing isn't like 25 years ago, a slightly more forgiviness is nice ...... I ended up at the Wilson Staff FG Tour (yesssss I have always been a Wilson Guy), they look to have a big cavity, but they play like a (musscle back) blade set ...... you just have to nail them at the sweetspot, but if you don't you still end up quite well.

It will help you becoming a better ball striker if you chose for blades, you'll just simply have to, but I doubt the punishment you will receive on off center hits, will allow you to lower your handicap much ...... maybe it is a nice thought to pick up blades 8-LW and some cavity backs in 3-7 ....
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post #1138 of 1292
4/25/10 at 4:51pm

Re: To Blade or not to Blade?

Yawn....

This thread again..

"Shouldnt hit blades, pros like to hit cavity backs like us now".....

blah blah blah

There is no right or wrong answer, however I will say, all the best players I personally know, for some reason play...blades...... I do see more guys trying the AP2 cavity backs lately, but why do they keep the blades? and then, when the $ is on the match, they play the blades? hmm. maybe just comfort level? but its hard to imagine people would risk winning tournaments, matches etc to "look good" they basically are less forgiving than the bigger cavity backs which are game improvement clubs....and seriously that's not news right? That being said, I know players that play the big Ping G15's and score really well, it just depends on the individual and how well they control their swing and hit the sweet spot.

play with what you feel the best with and score the best with. period, no need to justify why you are scared to play blades, or justify why not play cavity backs.. it doesnt matter, just play your game, your clubs and have fun!
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post #1139 of 1292
4/25/10 at 5:53pm

Re: To Blade or not to Blade?

Originally Posted by golfbarefoot View Post
Yawn....

This thread again..
No, same thread. I keep merging them.
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post #1140 of 1292
4/26/10 at 6:05am

Re: To Blade or not to Blade?

Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
maybe it is a nice thought to pick up blades 8-LW and some cavity backs in 3-7 ....
I think Phil has a split set like that. Not sure about other pros but some college players at the range all have split sets. If you are comfortable hitting blade GW, it's probably not too much of a stretch to hit a blade up to 9I or 8I.

The Mizuno MP52 has the more blade design up to 8I.
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post #1141 of 1292
5/13/10 at 6:14pm

Forged vs. Cast Irons

What will strike the ball farther, forged or cast? I have always thought that the reason most pro's play forged is that they are more consistent than cast. Pro's want to know exactly how far their ball is going to go and cast iron distances can vary from swing to swing. A buddy of mine says that forged should fly farther than cast if struck cleanly. That doesn't explain this: I can't hit my forged 9 iron any farther than 145, yet I can hit his cast 9 iron almost 155 without much effort. Any thoughts?? Am I totally off base with my understanding of the differences between forged and cast irons??
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post #1142 of 1292
5/13/10 at 6:17pm

Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons

Has nothing to do with distance.
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post #1143 of 1292
5/13/10 at 6:22pm

Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons

Originally Posted by martytilma View Post
What will strike the ball farther, forged or cast? I have always thought that the reason most pro's play forged is that they are more consistent than cast. Pro's want to know exactly how far their ball is going to go and cast iron distances can vary from swing to swing. A buddy of mine says that forged should fly farther than cast if struck cleanly. That doesn't explain this: I can't hit my forged 9 iron any farther than 145, yet I can hit his cast 9 iron almost 155 without much effort. Any thoughts?? Am I totally off base with my understanding of the differences between forged and cast irons??
Here's my opinion. Forged irons are easier to bend - customize and such. Top players are always tinkering and they want this advantage. Forged irons are typically softer, and professionals get their irons for free, so they don't care if they go through a set every year.

Forged irons "feel" softer. Whether it's just the sound or if people with advanced hearing loss can still feel the difference is debatable, but if you ever reguarly hit a set of cast irons, a set of softer forged irons (think older Mizunos or MacGregors), or a set of really soft irons (think copper faced irons) you'd know what I'm inferring.

Maybe it's the head design and maybe it's the material, but my personal experiences are that cast irons are typically in a more "forgiving" shape that doesn't always lead to precise distance control. It's like a precision racing car - if you're a great driver you'll love the hell out of it, but if you suck, you'll probably suck x 10 and hate the experience.
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post #1144 of 1292
5/13/10 at 6:36pm

Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons

one thing to keep in mind with distance is that no two golf club companies use the same "standard" specs for irons. A 9 iron can range in loft between as low as 40 degrees to as much as 45 or more degrees.

Also, depending on the shaft length and shaft weight it is possible that you are getting more club head speed with the same amount of effort.

remember that with the exception of the driver, FW and possibly a hybrid it isn't how far but how close.
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post #1145 of 1292
5/13/10 at 6:41pm

Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons

Forget about forged vs. cast, it doesn't much matter anymore. The only thing that really matters is the quality and type of metals that are used. Forged or cast doesn't change much about a club. The most important thing is the weighting and metal that is used, not the process used to make it.

Cast can sometimes get a bad rap because they are typically used for game improvement type of irons. Forged gets a good rap because they are associated with 'players' clubs. I am pretty sure all Cleveland clubs are cast, down to their most popular wedges. Even their players clubs are cast and many pros use them. Vokey wedges are cast. No one can tell the difference in cast or forged. The difference they might feel is the club itself. Of course you can tell a difference in the forged Titleist MB vs. the cast AP1, they are totally different clubs. Not because of cast or forged, but because of what is used to make them and the design of them.
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post #1146 of 1292
5/13/10 at 6:47pm

Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons

Originally Posted by goblue107501 View Post
Forget about forged vs. cast, it doesn't much matter anymore. The only thing that really matters is the quality and type of metals that are used. Forged or cast doesn't change much about a club. The most important thing is the weighting and metal that is used, not the process used to make it.

[Cast can sometimes get a bad rap because they are typically used for game improvement type of irons. Forged gets a good rap because they are associated with 'players' clubs. I am pretty sure all Cleveland clubs are cast, down to their most popular wedges. Even their players clubs are cast and many pros use them. Vokey wedges are cast. No one can tell the difference in cast or forged. The difference they might feel is the club itself. Of course you can tell a difference in the forged Titleist MB vs. the cast AP1, they are totally different clubs. Not because of cast or forged, but because of what is used to make them and the design of them.
This pretty much sums it up. Take a look at Ping irons. All cast but still great quality and has great performance.
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post #1147 of 1292
5/13/10 at 6:49pm

Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons

Originally Posted by golfro View Post
This pretty much sums it up. Take a look at Ping irons. All cast but still great quality and has great performance.
Even Ping is coming out with a players club that is forged.
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post #1148 of 1292
5/13/10 at 6:52pm

Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons

Originally Posted by clearwaterms View Post
Even Ping is coming out with a players club that is forged.
but that doesn't mean they're creating it for the sole purpose of introducing a players club.
theres a marekt that Ping is missing out on by not creating forged irons which is why they're doing so now. There are a lot of people who dismiss Pings just because they are cast.

As far as quality and performance goes, I'm willing to bet the new forged ansers won't provide anything any of their other irons are not already providing.
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post #1149 of 1292
5/13/10 at 6:55pm

Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons

Originally Posted by martytilma View Post
What will strike the ball farther, forged or cast? I have always thought that the reason most pro's play forged is that they are more consistent than cast. Pro's want to know exactly how far their ball is going to go and cast iron distances can vary from swing to swing. A buddy of mine says that forged should fly farther than cast if struck cleanly. That doesn't explain this: I can't hit my forged 9 iron any farther than 145, yet I can hit his cast 9 iron almost 155 without much effort. Any thoughts?? Am I totally off base with my understanding of the differences between forged and cast irons??
The distance could be anything. Loft, actually hitting the sweet spot, wind, ball, length, lie, shaft, etc.

Plenty of tour pros play cast clubs and don't have a problem with distance control.
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post #1150 of 1292
5/13/10 at 7:26pm

Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons

Originally Posted by shades9323 View Post
The distance could be anything. Loft, actually hitting the sweet spot, wind, ball, length, lie, shaft, etc.

Plenty of tour pros play cast clubs and don't have a problem with distance control.
One key difference (imho) is they're playing players irons - probably iron for iron the same shot shape and distance as similar forged irons. A lot of cast irons (and probably some "forged" irons - forged components fused together) have distance improvement as a selling feature. I had a set like that. I'd fly one green then back off and dunk one in the water - grr. They looked nice though.

Go with what works - regardless of the manufacturing process.
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post #1151 of 1292
5/13/10 at 7:28pm

Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons

Originally Posted by golfro View Post
but that doesn't mean they're creating it for the sole purpose of introducing a players club.
theres a marekt that Ping is missing out on by not creating forged irons which is why they're doing so now. There are a lot of people who dismiss Pings just because they are cast.

As far as quality and performance goes, I'm willing to bet the new forged ansers won't provide anything any of their other irons are not already providing.
agreed - I just think its funny that Ping, who has always been the example of a company that does excellent things with cast clubs is now making a forged club. It is also interesting to note that the club is being introduced first in Japan and not America.
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post #1152 of 1292
5/13/10 at 8:02pm

Re: Forged vs. Cast Irons

Originally Posted by sean_miller View Post
One key difference (imho) is they're playing players irons - probably iron for iron the same shot shape and distance as similar forged irons. A lot of cast irons (and probably some "forged" irons - forged components fused together) have distance improvement as a selling feature. I had a set like that. I'd fly one green then back off and dunk one in the water - grr. They looked nice though.

Go with what works - regardless of the manufacturing process.
What are "Players Irons"? Are they different than Forged Irons?
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