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I have a round on sunday and I need to fix this before then. I currently am all over the place with my irons, I usually shank, top the ball, severe fade, or slice. Here are my swings:

http://www.swingacademy.com/swingana...l.aspx?id=1235 - 6 Iron Face On
http://www.swingacademy.com/swingana...l.aspx?id=1238 - 6 Iron DTL

comments/criticism would be appreciate, I need severe help.

and for those who are curious on my driver progress heres my new swing:

http://www.swingacademy.com/swingana...l.aspx?id=1237 - Driver DTL
http://www.swingacademy.com/swingana...l.aspx?id=1236 - Driver Face On

Thanks guys!
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Driver: Sasquatch 460 9.5°
3 Wood: Laser 3 Wood 15°
5 Wood: r7 19° (Stiff)Irons: S58 Irons 4-PW Orange DotWedge: Harmonized 60°Wedge: Z TP 54°Putter: Tiffany 34"Balls: Pro V1 Shoes: Adidas Tour 360 IIThe Meadows Golf Coursewww.themeadowsgc.comAge: 16
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Now of course I am no expert, but I must say that the driver swing looks better than the last video you posted, still appears you are spinning your left foot out a little through impact though. As far as the 6 iron DTL video it appears to me you are simply just coming over the top on the downswing and that may be your fade/slice problem. I am sure someone will come along shortly with better analysis and good advice, just my .02....Mac
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4 & 7 Woods: T-40 Stiff
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The Down the line view now that i look at it slowing and pause it, it looks like your squishing your body in to hit the ball. Your back swing goes smooth but on your foreswing you squish your shoulders and connect with the ball with what looks to be a open club face. (face club:P lol)

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Driver: R7 TP 460cc 10.5* Reax 65 stiff shaft
3 Wood: Tour Impact 15*
Irons: Tour Impact 3-PWWedges: Vokey Oil Can Spin Milled 54.10, Golfco Baron 58* SWPutter: Tracy II 35"Balls: Prov 1Age:16

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Now of course I am no expert, but I must say that the driver swing looks better than the last video you posted, s

wow, took a look and noticed that right away, that does seem really weird and I'd have no idea why I'm doing that, It doesn't seem to effect ball flight though.

Thanks for the quick input!
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Driver: Sasquatch 460 9.5°
3 Wood: Laser 3 Wood 15°
5 Wood: r7 19° (Stiff)Irons: S58 Irons 4-PW Orange DotWedge: Harmonized 60°Wedge: Z TP 54°Putter: Tiffany 34"Balls: Pro V1 Shoes: Adidas Tour 360 IIThe Meadows Golf Coursewww.themeadowsgc.comAge: 16
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I don't know if you can fix your swing by Sunday but best of luck!

Your slices/fades are simple. Your backswing is too much inside, leaving you in a position where you basically have to come down really steep and over the top. I don't know if I can give you any info to cure it, but I'll try. Make sure your wrists don't break down during the back swing, and keep the triangle formed by your forearms the same distance. Now, feel like your body move the club in the backswing, not your arms. You should now be on plane, and as soon as your wrists hinge naturally, begin the downswing by pushing your right knee towards the ball and turning your hips. Voila!

I hope this info can actually help fix it. As an 8, I can't believe coming that steep crept back into your swing. The same thing actually happens to me if I don't watch out for it, so I know how hard it is.

Driver: Tour Burner 10.5*
3 Wood: Hibore 15*
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I don't know if you can fix your swing by Sunday but best of luck!

Ya its really weird. I used be an amazing ball striker until a couple of days ago, I went to the range the other day and just started doing this out of nowhere. While I look at the swing I can easily see im coming way to much inside, It seems as if I'm almost doing a furyk type of swing, but incorrectly and did not mean to do it at all.

In My Bag

Driver: Sasquatch 460 9.5°
3 Wood: Laser 3 Wood 15°
5 Wood: r7 19° (Stiff)Irons: S58 Irons 4-PW Orange DotWedge: Harmonized 60°Wedge: Z TP 54°Putter: Tiffany 34"Balls: Pro V1 Shoes: Adidas Tour 360 IIThe Meadows Golf Coursewww.themeadowsgc.comAge: 16
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On your 6i dtl, it looks to me like your hands are behind the ball and the ball is way to far up in your stance. For a middle iron you normally want it just ahead of center, not off of your big toe. Take this for what you will, as I am a 15.

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Driver: 9.5* 905R w/ Proforce UST V2 (X)
3w: UST Proforce FW stiff 15*
Hybrid: 585H 19* Aldila "by you" xIrons: CG1 3-PW s300 dynamic goldWedges: 53*/58* Putter: Mid SurBall: whatever I feel like buying that day

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On your 6i dtl, it looks to me like your hands are behind the ball and the ball is way to far up in your stance. For a middle iron you normally want it just ahead of center, not off of your big toe. Take this for what you will, as I am a 15.

I found playing more to the middle as very uncomfortable, and cannot get a grasp on doing this consistently, I basically play every shot at the same position in my stance.

Great advice though!
In My Bag

Driver: Sasquatch 460 9.5°
3 Wood: Laser 3 Wood 15°
5 Wood: r7 19° (Stiff)Irons: S58 Irons 4-PW Orange DotWedge: Harmonized 60°Wedge: Z TP 54°Putter: Tiffany 34"Balls: Pro V1 Shoes: Adidas Tour 360 IIThe Meadows Golf Coursewww.themeadowsgc.comAge: 16
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Here is my .02. I think any time that you ask people for advice when posting your swing can be both good and bad. The reason I say bad is because you have fifteen people telling you fifteen different things and it can make someone crazy. In saying that here is what I think is wrong. First off at setup your hands are too far behind the ball and your shaft is leaning backwards also. Get the ball a tad bit more in the middle of your stance. Secondly when you set up to the ball stick your ass out more to get more balanced. At impact like someone else said above your whole body is squishing at contact.

Third, your coming over the top a tiny bit. Initiate the downswing with your hips and your hips only, not your hands. If you do that then everything will work as a chain reaction and it should cure you coming over the top. Fourth, point your left toe out a little bit at setup, maybe 30 degrees or so because that will help you clear your left hip out of the way on your downswing. That is all I can see. Good luck.
Driver-Taylor Made R7 460cc 10.5* Fujikara REAX Stiff
Fairway Wood-Taylor Made R7 Draw 15* Fujikara REAX Stiff
Hybrid Taylor Made 19* Rescue Mid Steel Stiff
4-PW-Golfsmith G40 TT Lite XL Stiff
GW-Ben Hogan Riviera 8* Bounce 50*SW-Ben Hogan Riviera Medium Bounce 56*LW-Cleveland 60* 588 ChromePutter-Taylo...
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Here is my .02. I think any time that you ask people for advice when posting your swing can be both good and bad. The reason I say bad is because you have fifteen people telling you fifteen different things and it can make someone crazy. In saying that here is what I think is wrong. First off at setup your hands are too far behind the ball and your shaft is leaning backwards also. Get the ball a tad bit more in the middle of your stance. Secondly when you set up to the ball stick your ass out more to get more balanced. At impact like someone else said above your whole body is squishing at contact.

Thanks, jeez all these tips make my swing seem like such a mess

In My Bag

Driver: Sasquatch 460 9.5°
3 Wood: Laser 3 Wood 15°
5 Wood: r7 19° (Stiff)Irons: S58 Irons 4-PW Orange DotWedge: Harmonized 60°Wedge: Z TP 54°Putter: Tiffany 34"Balls: Pro V1 Shoes: Adidas Tour 360 IIThe Meadows Golf Coursewww.themeadowsgc.comAge: 16
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I agree with what has been said for the most part. What stands out the most to me is it is a little bit over the top. You come back nice but then on the start of your down swing you just come right over the top, which will promote the fade/slice and also a pull.

One thing, on a good note, is that you have INCREDIBLE tempo and smoothness to your swing. I don't think I've ever seen a more "free flowing, i'm going to swing easy" type of swing ever in my life...seriously.

On a side note, what kind of golf shoes are those? Looks like the ones I just got at golfsmith today, lol.

Driver Ping G10 10.5*
Hybrids Ping G5 (3) 19* Bridgestone J36 (4) 22*
Irons Mizuno MP-57 5-PW
Wedges Srixon WG-504 52.08 Bridgestone WC Copper 56.13
Putter 33" Scotty Cameron Studio Select #2

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Well, like any time your swing goes off suddenly, the only recommendation is...

Check your fundamentals.

Grip, posture, ball position (distance and lateral position), alignment.

It looks like you are a bit crowded to the ball. This results in the arms crashing into the body, and you have to squish together to arrive at the ball. Realize also that playing the ball with irons forward in your stance like that encourages a fade ball flight and requires a bit more lateral hip movement than a centered position. The slice / topped ball scenario is easy to get into especially if you have a tendency to stand a bit close to the ball. I have the same problem creep up now and again, especially with short irons and wedges, and have to consciously check the distance to ball.

Be precise. Take some swings in good posture allowing the momentum of the swing to find the ground and see where it is striking. That is where the ball should be played for your swing. This and fundamentals will put you back on track.

As others have said, very smooth swing. You're doing great!
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I have a round on sunday and I need to fix this before then. I currently am all over the place with my irons, I usually shank, top the ball, severe fade, or slice. Here are my swings:

I provided an analysis of your face on driver swing. What I wrote about your driver swing also applies to your iron swing (as they aren't significantly different). When I have more time I'll provide a down the line analysis as well.

You may find it helpful to compare your swing to Charles Howell III and Karrie Webb since you share a few positions with them. Below are swing sequences of them.

In my bag:

Driver: Burner TP 8.5*
Fairway metals/woods: Burner TP 13* Tour Spoon, and Burner TP 17.5*
Irons: RAC MB TP Wedges: RAC TPPutter: Spider Ball: (varies ) (Most of the time): TP Red or HX Tour/56---------------------------------------------------

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Go to www.videojug.com and under sports& liesure - golf. you will find lots of videos to help. grip, proper swing, and how to avoid slicing, and why we slice. check it out

Driver - SQ SUMO2 9.5 stiff
3 Wood - SQ SUMO2 15* stiff
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Irons - CCi steel stiff
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I have a round on sunday and I need to fix this before then. I currently am all over the place with my irons, I usually shank, top the ball, severe fade, or slice. Here are my swings:

This one is simple.

Front view: put the ball in the middle of your stance and put you hands ahead of the ball. From behind: you are cutting that 6 iron across the ball because it's off your left toe (almost).

Best, Mike Elzey

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I have also noticed a few things. Most of them have been mentioned before.
1. 6-iron dtl. You have an over-the-top move at the top of the backswing. If you play in slow motion you can see that you shift your hands into a different position when you start the downswing and come over the top. When you make a divot is it pointed left of the target line? If it is, it is a sure sign of coming over the top. Also, in comparison to the driver, at address the club is much closer to your body and a little lower. You don't have much of an over-the-top with the driver, my guess would be because of this. You're so 'squeezed in' at address the club has no where to go at the top but over because you left no room to get in the correct 'slot'.
2. 6-iron face on. My first thought with this, like others have mentioned, is to get you hands equal to, or ahead of the ball. It may be uncomfortable at first, but you really have no chance to square the clubface at impact if you're not starting ahead of the ball. That may also be what is contributing to the over-the-top because you have to 'catch up' with your hands. (I used to to the same thing) Think of it like this, if you hit the ball with your address, your hands can't come through to get square and the ball will go off to the right somewhere. Also, you have a good posture and smooth tempo, I would think that if you can widen your stance a little (about the width of your foot, at each foot) you will be able to generate much more power. This will get you a wider turn and you can generate more natural clubhead speed without actually swinging harder.

I will judge my rounds much more by the quality of my best shots than the acceptability of my worse ones.

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yup. hands are behind the ball and breaking down too early. i'd focus on staying behind the ball a bit more and possible shortening your backswing.

What's in the bag:

Driver: Adams 9064LS (project RIP Shaft) 9.5 degree
3 Wood: Titleist 909R 14.5 degree
Hybrid 3-iron: 19 degree Tour Professional (bent to 18 degrees)Hybrid 4-iron: 21 degree Tour ProfessionalIrons: Tour X-20 5-PW Project X 6.0 shaftsGap Wedge: Mizuno MP10 52.08 Sand Wedge: Mizuno MP10 58.10 Lob Wedge: Nike 62.06

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I agree with what has been said for the most part. What stands out the most to me is it is a little bit over the top. You come back nice but then on the start of your down swing you just come right over the top, which will promote the fade/slice and also a pull.

Thanks CG for the comment, also: those are Adidas Tour 360 II's

I provided an analysis of your face on driver swing. What I wrote about your driver swing also applies to your iron swing (as they aren't significantly different). When I have more time I'll provide a down the line analysis as well.

Thank you very much avid.

This one is simple.

A picture actually explains it better, is there any way I can put my hands ahead of the ball without putting the ball that far back in the stance?

I have also noticed a few things. Most of them have been mentioned before.

I rarely take a divot, but yes, it is left of the target.

yup. hands are behind the ball and breaking down too early. i'd focus on staying behind the ball a bit more and possible shortening your backswing.

Shortening my backswing? I thought it was supposed to be parallel, isnt mine almost perfect?

AND NOW THE REAL QUESTION: Do you think I could get to under a 5 with this swing? (Aside from the severe fade) Or do I have alot of work to do?
In My Bag

Driver: Sasquatch 460 9.5°
3 Wood: Laser 3 Wood 15°
5 Wood: r7 19° (Stiff)Irons: S58 Irons 4-PW Orange DotWedge: Harmonized 60°Wedge: Z TP 54°Putter: Tiffany 34"Balls: Pro V1 Shoes: Adidas Tour 360 IIThe Meadows Golf Coursewww.themeadowsgc.comAge: 16
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