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Originally Posted by Fourputt View Post

Yeah, not really anything to do with the swing itself, but one example that there are more factors to scoring than just swinging the club.  As long as a player knows his strengths and accepts his weaknesses when on the course, he can improve his chances slightly more than what his swing alone might account for.  A good long game will certainly help the smart player to avoid those danger zones when planning any shot.  Identify the spot to which you really, really don't want to hit the ball, then play to the best compromise between the perfect shot, and what is realistic for your current skill level.
Agree 100%. :)
post #416 of 516
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This is anecdotal, however, and means nothing. (Except its a bit funny ;))

Yesterday, I saw a guy take two shots to get to a green side bunker on a par 4 and then card an 11 on the hole. And this was in the ISPS World Cup!!! A world class touring pro did that!

Saw that ... he didn't lob it onto the green. He tried to pitch and run ... didn't work for him ... several times. You'd think after two times, he might try a different shot ... a lob, or at least a high pitch.

 

On topic -- see, if he had the proper long game, he would have been on the green. 

post #417 of 516
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Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond View Post

Saw that ... he didn't lob it onto the green. He tried to pitch and run ... didn't work for him ... several times. You'd think after two times, he might try a different shot ... a lob, or at least a high pitch.

On topic -- see, if he had the proper long game, he would have been on the green. 
Off topic: those greens appeared insane! Like, Augusta on steroids!!
post #418 of 516
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Off topic: those greens appeared insane! Like, Augusta on steroids!!

Off topic: I didn't watch much of the tourney, but that hole setup was tough.

 

On topic - long game prevents reoccurrences of the above, but you still need a versatile short game with that improved long game - versatile = more than bump and run, pitch and run ... you need a pitch and stop asap.

post #419 of 516
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Off topic: those greens appeared insane! Like, Augusta on steroids!!

Melbourne is dry this time of year. You know it's hard ground when Kuch can't get the ball to check.
post #420 of 516
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Yesterday, I saw a guy take two shots to get to a green side bunker on a par 4 and then card an 11 on the hole. And this was in the ISPS World Cup!!! A world class touring pro did that!

 

Yeah his short game was great on the hole before where he made a 1 ;-) 

post #421 of 516
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Yeah his short game was great on the hole before where he made a 1 a2_wink.gif  
I think he was still pissed that he didn't win the Mercedes and that's why he got the 11 :)
post #422 of 516

If you shoot over 85, the long game is more important. Below, that the short game takes on increasing importance.

post #423 of 516
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Originally Posted by The Recreational Golfer View Post
 

If you shoot over 85, the long game is more important. Below, that the short game takes on increasing importance.

 

Did you read the thread? Current evidence points to… no.

post #424 of 516
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Originally Posted by The Recreational Golfer View Post
 

If you shoot over 85, the long game is more important. Below, that the short game takes on increasing importance.

 

And your reasoning for that statement is?  Please go back about 5-6 pages and read the thread

post #425 of 516

My experience, not my reasoning, is that if you're shooting the higher scores, your swing is not under control and you're wasting strokes getting up to the green. For example, my son isn't shooting 95 because he can't chip. His swing sucks. Being good around the green won't help him too much unless he chips everything in, and even then it wouldn't always be for par.

 

When I have shot my lower scores, my swing has been working very well, as my swing goes, but I have also been getting up and downs to save me when I miss. 

 

This is how I see it.

 

Is there a specific post five or six pages earlier that you could refer me to? I went back and wasn't sure which one you might mean.

post #426 of 516
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Originally Posted by The Recreational Golfer View Post
 

My experience, not my reasoning, is that if you're shooting the higher scores, your swing is not under control and you're wasting strokes getting up to the green. For example, my son isn't shooting 95 because he can't chip. His swing sucks. Being good around the green won't help him too much unless he chips everything in, and even then it wouldn't always be for par.

 

When I have shot my lower scores, my swing has been working very well, as my swing goes, but I have also been getting up and downs to save me when I miss.

 

This is how I see it.

 

Is there a specific post five or six pages earlier that you could refer me to? I went back and wasn't sure which one you might mean.

The "long game" on this thread is defined as full shots. All of the short game in the world is not going to save any of us (no matter what our handicap is) if we don't have the long game to get to the green in a reasonable amount of strokes.

 

Nobody is saying that the short game isn't important. Hell some days it's all I've got to hold a round halfway together but it will never completely make up for my lack of a long game on those days.

 

Lack of a consistent long game is why I will never be a scratch golfer and I'm not talking about distance because I hit the ball fairly long.

post #427 of 516
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Originally Posted by The Recreational Golfer View Post

 

Is there a specific post five or six pages earlier that you could refer me to? I went back and wasn't sure which one you might mean.

 

I just went back to where I knew these articles can be found

 

http://thesandtrap.com/t/14930/is-the-long-game-more-important-than-short-game/144#post_914889

http://thesandtrap.com/t/14930/is-the-long-game-more-important-than-short-game/90#post_914540

http://thesandtrap.com/t/14930/is-the-long-game-more-important-than-short-game/72#post_914432

http://thesandtrap.com/t/14930/is-the-long-game-more-important-than-short-game/72#post_914442

 

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Originally Posted by The Recreational Golfer View Post

 

 

When I have shot my lower scores, my swing has been working very well, as my swing goes, but I have also been getting up and downs to save me when I miss. 

 

Yes when you have your best rounds, all facets of the game will be solid.  Even if your short game wasn't so great that day, the score would have still been decent.  Much better than if you hit it all over the lot, had issues with contact but your short game was good.  

post #428 of 516
Bubba Watson shot 81 with a 20 degree hybrid-His only club-Recently.

Wouldn't have shot any better with a sand wedge as his only club I guarantee that.-Long game more important.
post #429 of 516

I would rather have a ok short game( which I do) and hit fairways and greens Than be the best putter on earth and spray the ball everywhere. I think people latch on to the short game because its easier to get half way good at it imo.

post #430 of 516
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Originally Posted by wils5150 View Post
 

I would rather have a ok short game( which I do) and hit fairways and greens Than be the best putter on earth and spray the ball everywhere. I think people latch on to the short game because its easier to get half way good at it imo.

 

i think its because they over-rate their full swing capabilities.  i think they would rather tell other people that their full swing is prettier than Kate Upton's cleavage and that they are held back by sucky putting and chipping.  its better for their ego.  most people think they hit the ball better than they do.

post #431 of 516
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Originally Posted by colin007 View Post

i think its because they over-rate their full swing capabilities.  i think they would rather tell other people that their full swing is prettier than Kate Upton's cleavage and that they are held back by sucky putting and chipping.  its better for their ego.  most people think they hit the ball better than they do.
Kate Upton's cleavage just makes that whole post somehow...better.
post #432 of 516
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most people think they hit the ball better than they do.

 

Quite true.

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