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What happens if shafts are too stiff?

post #1 of 42
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I've got a new set of irons, and I'm not sure if I ended up getting shafts too stiff for my swing. My driver is between 100-110 depending on how hard I try to bomb it.

Will you tend to fade or draw if your shafts are too stiff?
post #2 of 42

Re: What happens if shafts are too stiff?

i'm pretty sure you'd cast the ball in a certain direction if they're too stiff... you should be swinging a stiff shaft and if you're consistently in the 110 area..then you could even go with x-stiff.
if they're too stiff you'll more than likely just lose distance..but gain control.
post #3 of 42

Re: What happens if shafts are too stiff?

I think having a shaft too stiff would cause you to have a lower ball flight as well. Making it harder to get the ball up in the air. I would also assume that slices will become more prevelant because you won't be able to squre the clubface on impact consistently.
post #4 of 42

Re: What happens if shafts are too stiff?

Yea you'll mostly have hard time getting it up
post #5 of 42

Re: What happens if shafts are too stiff?

This spring I got a new R5 with a tour stiff shaft. What I noticed was it would look like I bombed it like normal, but when I would pull up to my ball I would be shocked it was farther up. Only thing I noticed,,same height, ball flight,,everything. I traded it to the guy I sold my old driver, mp001 stiff, too and I am hitting it normal again.
post #6 of 42

Re: What happens if shafts are too stiff?

For me it's low and right with irons, if the shafts are too stiff. Not a slice as much as a dead feeling push line drive.
post #7 of 42

Re: What happens if shafts are too stiff?

If it happens for more than 4 hours you have to see your doctor.
post #8 of 42

Re: What happens if shafts are too stiff?

Originally Posted by ks8829 View Post
If it happens for more than 4 hours you have to see your doctor.
tru dat
post #9 of 42

Re: What happens if shafts are too stiff?

There could be many things that an excessivley stiff shaft does to your shots depending on how you swing. A person with a lot of wrist action may notice more of a low shot to the right, but some of this can be accredited to the fact that torque numbers generally go down as flex stiffens. A person with little wrist action may not notice as much of a right/left difference as much as a generally lower ballflight.

General rule of thumb, low and right are signs of an overly stiff shaft.
post #10 of 42

Re: What happens if shafts are too stiff?

Originally Posted by mochila View Post
tru dat
Do you have too many zeros next to your handicap or are you the person in front of us playing the other day?
post #11 of 42

Re: What happens if shafts are too stiff?

i don't think i have any business playing my stiff shafts...but i bought the clubs used with very little club knowledge.

the misses seem to be right, although they aren't exactly low... but definitely right. i am also noticeably shorter than my playing buddies who are of similar handicap...

i have really warmed up to the irons, but the longest one i carry is a 5i.
post #12 of 42

Re: What happens if shafts are too stiff?

Originally Posted by Kperkins View Post
I've got a new set of irons, and I'm not sure if I ended up getting shafts too stiff for my swing. My driver is between 100-110 depending on how hard I try to bomb it.

Will you tend to fade or draw if your shafts are too stiff?
That's a really fast swing-speed. Are you sure it's that fast? Like DYoshi said, if it's 110, then you should be using X-stiff.

Could your handicap benefit from a slower swing speed?
post #13 of 42

Re: What happens if shafts are too stiff?

Originally Posted by ks8829 View Post
Do you have too many zeros next to your handicap or are you the person in front of us playing the other day?
I think if I actually tried to calculate it online, my PC would break bc it was so bad. So i probably am worse that the people in front of you yesterday.
post #14 of 42

I'm digging up this old thread. I had a choice of "Too stiff" threads, but picked this one because it's really old.

 

The background is that I am giving up my Ping i20's to my son, who plans to use them as he is playing high school golf this year. I decided to use my MP33 with KBS X-Stiff shafts which I bought strictly with the intention of using it for practice.

 

Here's what I found.

 

Ping i20 gets me the following carry distances (based upon range distances off grass):

U 100

W 115

9i 125 (Gap is because I like to swing this club a lot easier, but could easily squeeze out another 5 to 10 yards)

8i 145

7i 155

6i 165 (rarely use this)

5i 175 (rarely use this)

The flights are relatively high, roughly 30 yards.

 

My MP33 with the super stiff shafts get me the following carry distances (on the range off grass)

P 98

9i 110

8i 125

7i 135

6i 145

5i 155 (probably need to use this)

4i 165 (might even need to use this, but I would need to gain some skill)

The flight is lower by about 5 to 10 yards.

 

The conditions for both are with 65 F conditions in the morning, so the range ball cores might be a little colder than 50 F. All the balls had nice straight to slight draw flights. I had a few outlier fades. Granted that the MP33 are blades and the Ping are GI clubs, but the shaft appears to play the major role. I am not including the severely off center hits (not that many) which are about 5 to 10 yards shorter depending upon the club.

 

In short, I could use them, but need to club up 2 clubs. I suppose I could just use the burners and gain distance, but I kind of like the controlled feeling of the MP33.


Edited by Lihu - 3/5/14 at 2:02pm
post #15 of 42

@Lihu Why would you buy a set of irons just for practice if your not going to use them in a round? It's a completely different club than those Pings in so many ways. I would ditch the X shafts and go with DG s300's and enjoy playing the mp33's. I know the KBS shafts are more expensive but they are worth nothing to you if they are hurting your game.

post #16 of 42
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Originally Posted by flopster View Post
 

@Lihu Why would you buy a set of irons just for practice if your not going to use them in a round? It's a completely different club than those Pings in so many ways. I would ditch the X shafts and go with DG s300's and enjoy playing the mp33's. I know the KBS shafts are more expensive but they are worth nothing to you if they are hurting your game.

 

Thanks for the tip.

 

I got them for effectively $40 for the entire set, and lefty clubs are not easy to come by. Sure, I would definitely agree with ditching the KBS because they are X-stiff and too long for me. If I need to use these clubs, I could always swap them with my DG R300 shafts. On the other hand, I could buy my son a set of properly fitted i25, but hard to justify to my wife as he's due for another growth spurt this year. If he does go through that sooner, then I might get the Pings back within a year or so? Maybe, I can push that up by feeding him a lot more? :whistle:

 

In any case, it was a fun experiment and I though it was worthwhile reporting it.

post #17 of 42
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Originally Posted by Lihu View Post

Thanks for the tip.

I got them for effectively $40 for the entire set, and lefty clubs are not easy to come by. Sure, I would definitely agree with ditching the KBS because they are X-stiff and too long for me. If I need to use these clubs, I could always swap them with my DG R300 shafts. On the other hand, I could buy my son a set of properly fitted i25, but hard to justify to my wife as he's due for another growth spurt this year. If he does go through that sooner, then I might get the Pings back within a year or so? Maybe, I can push that up by feeding him a lot more? e2_whistling.gif

In any case, it was a fun experiment and I though it was worthwhile reporting it.

Although a beautiful looking club, the reason why your distances are off with the mizuno MP 33 are for a number of reasons lower ball flight,they are slightly shorter shaft, a much small sweet spot for max distance, an area of the club face that as a 17 handicap you "might " hit 1 out 5 times if lucky. The MP33 blade will perform best for a golfer who consistantly hits down on the ball and then a divot. I would even goes as far as a player who's in the fairway a lot and has his distances dialed in to with a couple of yards. This same golfer also hits on the sweet spot consistently. I'm a 3.5 handicap and although they would look great in my bag, I would score much better and enjoy the game better with a slightly more forgiving club. Those MP33 are not helping your game or swing, when you think about they are holding you back. If the clubs are too long sell them, or re shaft them when you can improve enough.

Your other comment is confusing, this is not the 1970s or 60s leftys are easier to buy now a days, retailers often stock these. you can also be fitted at a number of demo fitting all over southern Cal ( free) and take that very same information to any manufacturer or to your proshops or retailer to order. Sometimes they can be order at the demo if its thru a golf shop slightly discounted. There are tons of online opportunities from golf smith, golf galaxy, dicks for example that clubs can be ordered. Including Manufacters sites keep in mind the iron sets are per club cost, in other words you don't have to order 8 irons 3-p, instead consider ordering 5-P or Gap, save some money for a hybrid instead. Or lessons.
If your using the MP33 to practice the question. I have for you is why? Instead concentrate on those pings and pings only get your repeatable swing and get confident making solid contact with them including if its divot first then ball contact, which is consistent for most double digit handicappers.

Good luck, seriosuly, ditch the mp33s, they are not doing you any favors.
post #18 of 42
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Originally Posted by Spitfisher View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Lihu View Post

Thanks for the tip.

I got them for effectively $40 for the entire set, and lefty clubs are not easy to come by. Sure, I would definitely agree with ditching the KBS because they are X-stiff and too long for me. If I need to use these clubs, I could always swap them with my DG R300 shafts. On the other hand, I could buy my son a set of properly fitted i25, but hard to justify to my wife as he's due for another growth spurt this year. If he does go through that sooner, then I might get the Pings back within a year or so? Maybe, I can push that up by feeding him a lot more? e2_whistling.gif

In any case, it was a fun experiment and I though it was worthwhile reporting it.

Although a beautiful looking club, the reason why your distances are off with the mizuno MP 33 are for a number of reasons lower ball flight,they are slightly shorter shaft, a much small sweet spot for max distance, an area of the club face that as a 17 handicap you "might " hit 1 out 5 times if lucky. The MP33 blade will perform best for a golfer who consistantly hits down on the ball and then a divot. I would even goes as far as a player who's in the fairway a lot and has his distances dialed in to with a couple of yards. This same golfer also hits on the sweet spot consistently. I'm a 3.5 handicap and although they would look great in my bag, I would score much better and enjoy the game better with a slightly more forgiving club. Those MP33 are not helping your game or swing, when you think about they are holding you back. If the clubs are too long sell them, or re shaft them when you can improve enough.

Your other comment is confusing, this is not the 1970s or 60s leftys are easier to buy now a days, retailers often stock these. you can also be fitted at a number of demo fitting all over southern Cal ( free) and take that very same information to any manufacturer or to your proshops or retailer to order. Sometimes they can be order at the demo if its thru a golf shop slightly discounted. There are tons of online opportunities from golf smith, golf galaxy, dicks for example that clubs can be ordered. Including Manufacters sites keep in mind the iron sets are per club cost, in other words you don't have to order 8 irons 3-p, instead consider ordering 5-P or Gap, save some money for a hybrid instead. Or lessons.
If your using the MP33 to practice the question. I have for you is why? Instead concentrate on those pings and pings only get your repeatable swing and get confident making solid contact with them including if its divot first then ball contact, which is consistent for most double digit handicappers.

Good luck, seriously, ditch the mp33s, they are not doing you any favors.

 

 

Sure, I agree. It was more or less an experiment.

 

Now that my son likes the i20s, I need start to seriously look at other alternatives. I might get him the i25's or something.

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