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post #109 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

When Scotty's cost as much as an Odyssey, I'll buy one. I've tried both and I like the 2-ball design much better than a standard blade. As far as looking "cool", Scotty's rock.
post #110 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

I, personally, believe you are paying for the scotty cameron NAME more so than the putter. If it was made with say "UBER MEGA MARS ROCKS FROM SPACE" then sure I'll fork out the extra dime. As of now I haven't touched a scotty i liked better than my sabertooth.

And even if i was going to fork out 250+ on a putter I'd get this beast right here!



Traditional blade design with a mallet back and odyssey quality

However, those saying they aren't really worth it i guess is kind of stupid because any similiar putter will cost just as much.

Oh, and the standard scotty grips are awful i have no idea how you like them. Odyssey grips are like heaven though.
post #111 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

where are the odyssey black series putters made?
post #112 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

Originally Posted by DDBowdoin View Post
where are the odyssey black series putters made?
What do you mean..?
post #113 of 586

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Originally Posted by DDBowdoin View Post
where are the odyssey black series putters made?
Well I believe their office is in California.
post #114 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

yeah... carlsbad, CA

they dont manufacturer the putters there though, I'm interested in their point of origin

I believe its china but just looking to make sure
post #115 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

Originally Posted by DDBowdoin View Post
yeah... carlsbad, CA

they dont manufacturer the putters there though, I'm interested in their point of origin

I believe its china but just looking to make sure
Yes, the heads are made in China. USA shafts. Grip...not sure.
post #116 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

http://www.scottycameron.com/studio/videos.aspx

that makes a difference to me... sorry, but its a reality
post #117 of 586

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Originally Posted by DDBowdoin View Post
http://www.scottycameron.com/studio/videos.aspx

that makes a difference to me... sorry, but its a reality
Then buy the cameron by all means. I don't care where my putter is made. As long as it's made with quality and odyssey has proven they make quality goods.
post #118 of 586

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Originally Posted by DDBowdoin View Post
http://www.scottycameron.com/studio/videos.aspx

that makes a difference to me... sorry, but its a reality
It's just CNC Machining. No big deal.
post #119 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

Its only worth it if you putt better!...... Me, i'll stick with my 30 year old Titleist Bullseye.
post #120 of 586

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I used to think that it was crazy to spend $300 on a putter. My first putter that I really liked was an Odyssey Dual Force Rossie II. It was better than the Wal-Mart putter that I had prior to that. I used this putter for 10 years. My brother bought me the 2-Ball XG for Christmas and I like the feel of it, but I have some trouble controlling the distance of my putts. I never liked the Anser/blade style putters because they were too light. Then I tried some of the newer stuff and I fell in love with the Studio Select Newport 2. It has a good weight to it (though I am sending it to the custom shop to have more weight added) and it looks absolutely gorgeous. I could tell that it was a piece of quality craftsmanship. So, I dropped the $300 for the putter. I think that I will keep this putter for the rest of my life, and it will be the most used club in my bag. So, in time, it will end up being the cheapest club in the bag on a per stroke basis. In summary, it was worth the money to me.
post #121 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

Originally Posted by iacas View Post
Frankly - and this will be the last post on this slight diversion from the topic - I still see a fine line.

The people who deem them "worth" their money seem to almost always seem to say "they're worth it to me, and I love mine." The people who, like yourself, don't seem to believe they're worth it almost always seem to say "they're not worth it, you shouldn't waste your money."

The difference being there's the hint with the latter that you're being TOLD you're stupid for spending the money, and with the former, people treat it more as their personal opinion. Virtually nobody who says "they're not worth it" says "They're not worth it for me, but I'm sure other people see value in it, and that's fine." It almost always seems to come off as "you're all wasting your money. I can get model XYZ for $119!"

Just a general feeling about the tone, which is admittedly difficult to read online, but as someone who doesn't really care what anyone thinks about MY equipment, I don't believe I've "read into" something that's not there. Maybe, though.

If you aren't sure what I mean by the above, I'm not sure how to put it another way.

P.S. For example, this seems very much to be "pushing value judgments on others." He specifically says "your head," not "my head," and he doesn't say "I agree, no way is a putter worth $300 to me." You might argue that such is implied, but I'm not a big fan of assuming or implying, particularly when it's contradicted by "your head" immediately afterwards.

P.P.S. And people aren't criticizing your opinion - they're criticizing the way you've expressed it and the way you seem to be making that judgment on behalf of them. Again - take it to PMs if you have more to say, please. I don't, though.
You certainly seem to like to have the last word.

The fine line you describe seems simply to be the boundary between a point that you either agree or disagree with.

As for my original post on the topic, you have snipped part of it.

I said: "If it helps you putt better then more power to you..."

Nobody has yet asserted that these putters have some intrinsic physical value or superior technology that makes them worth $300. I seem to read that they are worth more because they instill confidence, etc. That sure seems to be to be a mental thing, i.e. "in your head..."

Putting is a HUGE mental thing. I have a garage full of "retired" putters. I could have bought several Scotty Camerons. Just look at all the ways golfers try to cure their putting woes: weird grips, long putters, huge putter heads, etc... I feel the uber-expensive putters fall into the same category.

The OP said he was considering buying a SC putter and asked if they were worth it. My advice was simply that I don't think they are worth the money. That is not the same as telling you or any other SC owners that "you shouldn't have wasted your money." You ARE reading too much into it and putting words into my mouth. I never said "you're stupid for spending the money..."

What's happening is that I've interrupted the Scotty Cameron self-congratulation party and suddenly you begin to have doubts in the back of your mind and start thinking that maybe you did spend too much for that putter. And that doesn't make you happy. Now I am rude and judgemental. Further evidence that the whole thing is mental.

Can anyone dispute my assertion that SC Putters are an example of the Veblen effect?
post #122 of 586

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Originally Posted by tjy355 View Post
You certainly seem to like to have the last word.

The fine line you describe seems simply to be the boundary between a point that you either agree or disagree with.

As for my original post on the topic, you have snipped part of it.

I said: "If it helps you putt better then more power to you..."

Nobody has yet asserted that these putters have some intrinsic physical value or superior technology that makes them worth $300. I seem to read that they are worth more because they instill confidence, etc. That sure seems to be to be a mental thing, i.e. "in your head..."

Putting is a HUGE mental thing. I have a garage full of "retired" putters. I could have bought several Scotty Camerons. Just look at all the ways golfers try to cure their putting woes: weird grips, long putters, huge putter heads, etc... I feel the uber-expensive putters fall into the same category.

The OP said he was considering buying a SC putter and asked if they were worth it. My advice was simply that I don't think they are worth the money. That is not the same as telling you or any other SC owners that "you shouldn't have wasted your money." You ARE reading too much into it and putting words into my mouth. I never said "you're stupid for spending the money..."

What's happening is that I've interrupted the Scotty Cameron self-congratulation party and suddenly you begin to have doubts in the back of your mind and start thinking that maybe you did spend too much for that putter. And that doesn't make you happy. Now I am rude and judgemental. Further evidence that the whole thing is mental.

Can anyone dispute my assertion that SC Putters are an example of the Veblen effect?
Well I think that's a little overboard. I have almost $1000 wrapped up in a remote control truck. I could have bought 3 Scottys. I sometimes wonder why I have spent all the money on a "toy". Answer: Cause it's a blast, I love playing with it, and it's my money.

You are accusing iacas of doing what you are doing.

Advice: Give your opinion and that's it. Don't talk about why someone else feels the way they do.
post #123 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

Originally Posted by tjy355 View Post
What's happening is that I've interrupted the Scotty Cameron self-congratulation party and suddenly you begin to have doubts in the back of your mind and start thinking that maybe you did spend too much for that putter. And that doesn't make you happy. Now I am rude and judgemental. Further evidence that the whole thing is mental...
Dude you're copping as big an attitude for the anti-Cameron side as anybody could in looking down on those of us who choose not to put a Cameron in our bag. I think that's what iacas is objecting to in your posts.

I think you are objecting to the fact that Cameron putters have become somewhat of a status symbol in golf today. There is a major "wow" factor involved with owning something that fit's this bill. Golf is a very equipment oriented sport. Kind of like boating or owning a fancy sports car. Like it or not your choice in equipment says something about you. Some people choose to get defensive about this because their equipment isn't the latest or the most expensive. Other people choose to let their performance do their talking. Still others want to make a big impression with their equipment. I know guys who laugh at anyone who owns nice equipment. They're playing with the same stuff they've played with all their lives and they're pretty good. They see a guy with $2k in equipment and they laugh at him, especially if he isn't as good as they are. While I see their point (if you can't swing the club having a high dollar club doesn't make a difference), I think they are taking it too far. So what if someone wants to spend several thousand dollars on their equipment. It doesn't reflect on me one way or the other. If the person with high dollar equpment chooses to look down on someone playing with a hand-me-down set, then I believe that is a far more accurate indicator of their character than what choice of equipment or what kind of putter they have in their bag. Likewise someone with a Cameron putter who also happens to be a nice guy is someone I don't have any problem calling a friend. And if I happen to out putt them with my 40 year old hand-me-down putter so much the better!
post #124 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

Originally Posted by Chief Broom View Post
I think that's what iacas is objecting to in your posts.
Pretty much. That and the implication that he's telling others how to spend their money.

I also asked that he take it to PM, but he didn't listen to that either.

Originally Posted by YogiTKE View Post
Advice: Give your opinion and that's it. Don't talk about why someone else feels the way they do.
Indeed.

Originally Posted by tjy355 View Post
Nobody has yet asserted that these putters have some intrinsic physical value or superior technology that makes them worth $300.
Sure they have. If not in this thread, then in the several billion other similar threads. Craftsmanship is an "intrinsic physical value." And what about people who simply appreciate the way they look? I don't much care for modern art, but I don't go around telling people they're wasting their money when they spend $10k on some piece of modern art. I do like the looks of most Cameron putters, and their performance, their feel, their craftsmanship, their fit and finish, etc.

Originally Posted by tjy355 View Post
What's happening is that I've interrupted the Scotty Cameron self-congratulation party and suddenly you begin to have doubts in the back of your mind and start thinking that maybe you did spend too much for that putter.
You couldn't be further from the truth.

Originally Posted by tjy355 View Post
Can anyone dispute my assertion that SC Putters are an example of the Veblen effect?
Yeah: Scotty could could sell 2x as many putters as he does, but they (Scotty, Titleist) purposefully limit supply so as to INCREASE demand and thus raise the price. That's pretty much the opposite of the Veblen.

Now, I asked you before to take it to PM if you STILL have more to say, and this time I'm insistent. Do so or, preferably, just drop it. There will probably be another one of these threads in 10 days, and you can try your luck at saying what you mean to say in that one.
post #125 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

I actually use a SeeMore putter which is the first putter I ever bought that I actually had to spend enough money for that I had to talk myself into. More than a name on a putter is, can you putt with the darn thing?

My brother in law was into the whole Callaway thing so he bought a Callaway putter that had a head similar to the big bertha and HATED it! But used it anyway because he spent so much on it and traded in his old putter (an old Ping that he could putt lights-out with).

If you putt the best you ever have with it or, at least better than anything else out there (assuming your favorite old putter is not doing the job any more) then sure, it's worth it.
post #126 of 586

Re: Master Scotty Cameron Putters: Worth It or Not? Thread

I'm contemplating whether or not to buy a newport 2 studio select. Someone who has one please convince me
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