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post #73 of 86
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So...ANYBODY...

 

Back problems!?  And not just some anecdotal "Oh my father's brother's cousin's league manager's friend's nephew's former roommate had back problems after putting with the Pelz method" either.  I want hard facts.

Ask Ray Floyd

 

One reason he uses/used a 36 inch putter.

 

I guess one can throw common sense out the window ... think about it. When you get older, most people don't want their back bending like that ... but I'll let you young pups learn your lessons the hard way...

More anecdotal evidence.  One could also blame it on his golf swing, lifting a bag of potatoes out of his trunk, wearing the wrong size shoes, sneezing.....

 

Got any facts? 

post #74 of 86
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More anecdotal evidence.  One could also blame it on his golf swing, lifting a bag of potatoes out of his trunk, wearing the wrong size shoes, sneezing.....

Got any facts? 

Hey, if you want to try, try it. But how many Guys on the PGA Tour look like Michelle Wie bending over with their back horizontal? Or how many guys try to use it?

Of course, that doesn't matter. If you think it will work for you, do it.

If this topic interest you so much and you want scientific evidence, then there's something called Google. Try it. It's your friend.
post #75 of 86
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More anecdotal evidence.  One could also blame it on his golf swing, lifting a bag of potatoes out of his trunk, wearing the wrong size shoes, sneezing.....

 

Got any facts? 

Look, you are not a professor and we are not your students.

 

You got any manners?

 

Tired of guys too effin' lazy to research their own questions before they ask it on a forum, and then start to berate others for attempting to assist them.

 

My suggestion?  Bend over ... and try it yourself. 

 

Here's a fact for you re SBST.

 

I tried it years ago as a healthy 40 something male with no physical limitations and in above average physical condition -- my back hurt after practicing SBST on the range for several months. And no, I did not bend horizontal to the ground. And when you don't, you will have an arc if the putt is sufficiently long.

 

As to Floyd, he's used a slightly longer putter for years now.

 

You see a lot of guys using an upright style - see Tiger and a slew of others on Tour.

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I hear Shakespear was a huge proponent of SBST.

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I hear Shakespear was a huge proponent of SBST.

Fact or anecdotal?

 

Or was it SISO?

 

Can have any anecdotes running freely around here...a2_wink.gif

post #78 of 86
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If this topic interest you so much and you want scientific evidence, then there's something called Google. Try it. It's your friend.
I'm not making the claim. You are. The onus is on you to prove it true, not me to prove it false.
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I'm not making the claim. You are. The onus is on you to prove it true, not me to prove it false.

 

Okay, that's enough. It's not on topic anyway.

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I'm curious what others think about one of the drills in the book.  It's the one where you take your putting stance inside a door frame.  You place an alignment rod across your shoulders and make the rod only an inch or so away from the wall on either side of the door frame.  From that position, make a shoulder turn as if you were putting.

I don't care if sbst is truly possible or not, but I am curious if naysayers feel the above drill is beneficial in any way.

Also, on shorter putts (say, inside 10 feet), do most of you try to make a stroke that would at least look sbst to the naked eye?

Again, I'm not asking these questions in a controversial way. I'm just trying to learn and improve...
post #81 of 86
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I don't care if sbst is truly possible or not, but I am curious if naysayers feel the above drill is beneficial in any way.

Also, on shorter putts (say, inside 10 feet), do most of you try to make a stroke that would at least look sbst to the naked eye?

Again, I'm not asking these questions in a controversial way. I'm just trying to learn and improve...


At the risk of stating the obvious, I use a pendulum swing trying to rock the putter head the same distance in the back swing as the forward swing with the shoulders. Keeping my hands and arms soft but steady, the club face opens and closes with the swing. A short swing opens and closes less so it looks more sbst. I do not know about the drill.

post #82 of 86

My copy arrived today. Just picked it up on Amazon used for $9. Looking forward to diving into it. 

post #83 of 86

I'm about 25% through the book. I'm enjoying it. Not sure I agree with his pils stroke over the "screen door." The data he's collected and shares in the book is very interesting I think. I especially enjoyed the two page display showing the dispersion of contacts on the putter face between the different handicaps. 

 

I of course grabbed my putter and started making some practice strokes on the carpet. I'm a shoulder putter and by that I mean I hold on to the putter with my hands and arms, but I feel like I rock my shoulders to make my stroke. I try to keep my putterhead square for as long as possible. But as others have mentioned, the further I take it back, the more it needs to arc. I  like his mantra of "simpler is better" but I think the pils stroke is over-reaching. Even when I try to keep it SBST, I don't think I actually am. 

 

I'll finish reading the book because I always enjoy learning more about the game and others' take on its different aspects. 

 

Also, when he put Tiger Woods on the "great ballstrikers" list and not on the "great putters" list and claimed one couldn't be on both, I just kind of laughed to myself. 

post #84 of 86
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I don't care if sbst is truly possible or not, but I am curious if naysayers feel the above drill is beneficial in any way.

Also, on shorter putts (say, inside 10 feet), do most of you try to make a stroke that would at least look sbst to the naked eye?

Again, I'm not asking these questions in a controversial way. I'm just trying to learn and improve...

Depends on what you're trying to do ... if you rock the shoulders, my guess is the drill is to make certain you don't rock inside too much

post #85 of 86

I've read both of his books  and all I can say is to much information. 

post #86 of 86

Pelz wrote the book almost 20 years ago ... technology changes how we think about our methods, especially as to technique and green reading. I've kept the part about looking beyond the target on an uphill putt and looking before the hole on a downhill putt.

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