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Is some degree of lateral hip movement ok especially with the driver?????

my miss is almost always a pull or hook and Ia m wondering if a touch forward lateral with the hips will keep the hands from getting infront my body - which I "think" is why I hook.

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Is some degree of lateral hip movement ok especially with the driver?????

You want to keep your front shoulder behind or at the ball at impact. If you move laterally, you'll pull your shoulder off the ball.

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You want to keep your front shoulder behind or at the ball at impact. If you move laterally, you'll pull your shoulder off the ball.

So no lateral movement then?? and what "does pulling your should off the ball" mean??

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Is some degree of lateral hip movement ok especially with the driver?????

I find it crucial to have a slight "bump" of the hips toward your target to start the downswing.

The downswing starts from the ground up. The arms are basically along for the ride and should be passive when you start your downswing. By bumping or having a slight lateral movement at the start of the downswing allows your arms to drop into the all important "slot". This "bump" of the hips allows the angle formed by the club and left arm to stay deep into the downswing (also known as lag). If performed correctly you will be attacking the ball from the all important inside, just like the pros! You should have a nice draw on your ball flight without those annoying duck hooks. Hope this helps... Hit 'em long and straight! --John
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I also think a slight bump is fine. I think ideally you wouldn't want your left leg/hip to move more than 3" (or 1/2 width of a pant leg) forward of its initial position.
I am working on improving my leg work too...What I am very cautious of is a move into (closer to) the ball (If you look down the line your R leg moves into the ball). This leads to a loss of spine angle.

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wow thanks guys! that really helps in my understanding of the swing. I draw my irons - but have some varied results with my driver. my fairway woods are great - even my long irons cool- but getting into that fairway scoring position its whats eluding me and forcing me to save par or paly bogey golf
thanks for the help I am going to put it into practice tomorrow and will let ya know!

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I find it crucial to have a slight "bump" of the hips toward your target to start the downswing.

Bears repeating. Human anatomy requires that the left hip be set directly over the top of the left femur prior to turning the hips. Otherwise the right hip (and shoulder) will be thrust outward causing an over the top swing.

But it's a difficult move. You have to start the hip bump as the club is approaching the end of the backswing and you can't let your hips bump too far. If you get this move right the downswing plane takes care of itself.
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holy ^%$#@! did that ever do the trick. Went to the range - long draws and baby fades - perfecto - thanks for the help guys - my swing has way more lag in it now. starting the hips back just drags those arms down and my 7 iron flushes at 160 yards now - thanks so much.

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But it's a difficult move. You have to start the hip bump as the club is approaching the end of the backswing ...

Is this so that the club will set with a more acute angle?

What do you think of this you tube video? This instructor says he settles his weight backwards on his left leg. His head is supported by this left leg. I think he then rotates his upper torso around the axis created from his head down through his left leg. Is this how we should move the hip? Because, it seems like all the hip does actively is the subtle lateral bump along with the weight settling. Then the upper torso actively rotates around, past the hips, which then pulls the hips around. Am I seeing this correctly?
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I'm trying what some of you (including Shawn Clement's video) and my golf instructor are suggesting. I'm getting a lot of forward momentum where I'm almost out of balance falling forward at the pose and my right toe comes off the ground. Is this normal? Should I simply slow down my pace? Any suggestions would be helpful,

Thanks in advance,

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Can someone comment on how to get this hip bump correctly? I've found that a little hip bump changes my pull hook into a straight or push-draw and a lot causes me to shank my wedges. Do you bump differently for each club? I've heard Jeff Ritter talk about imagining squeezing the water out of a sponge under your left foot to start the downswing. Is this the same thing as the comment earlier about human anatomy requiring the weight be positioned above the left femur for a hip turn to be possible?

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Can someone comment on how to get this hip bump correctly? I've found that a little hip bump changes my pull hook into a straight or push-draw and a lot causes me to shank my wedges. Do you bump differently for each club? I've heard Jeff Ritter talk about imagining squeezing the water out of a sponge under your left foot to start the downswing. Is this the same thing as the comment earlier about human anatomy requiring the weight be positioned above the left femur for a hip turn to be possible?

An image I find very useful is to imagine you are clashing 2 cymbals together between your knees to start the downswing - the hip bump will happen automatically.

Allow your arms and shoulders to be passive during this move so they drop into the "slot" on the downswing, the secret to real power! This move, if done correctly, will cause you to hit the ball from the inside, just like the pros. Play well.
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lynchjo,

I'm curious about how you feel about that Shawn Clement video above.

Been playing just a few months but I play almost every day.

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lynchjo,

Shawn is absolutely right the swing starts with a firm right side and finishes with a firm left side. The backswing cannot begin until a firm right side is established to anchor the top of the spine. The downswing cannot begin until a firm left side is established to anchor the bottom of the spine.

In the takeaway the momentum of throwing the club against a firm right side (braced right leg) is what causes you to fall back to the target. The fall is stopped by a firm left side (planting the left foot). His "toss-plant-whip" philosophy should be memorized by all beginners as it is every bit as important as "posture-grip-alignment".
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Shawn is absolutely right the swing starts with a firm right side and finishes with a firm left side. The backswing cannot begin until a firm right side is established to anchor the top of the spine. The downswing cannot begin until a firm left side is established to anchor the bottom of the spine.

This is an excellent post. One thing that I'd like clarification on, if I may... I tend to have one of 2 swings, (1) in which there is little lateral motion of my upper spine forward on the downswing and in which I hit my irons accurately but struggle with pull-hooks on everything above 5-wood, and (2) two in which I feel like I am falling towards the target slightly on the downswing, eliminate the pull-hooks, but struggle with consistency in my irons. I think 2 is the swing I would like to have, but I suspect my consistency is because I'm not able to get that falling, back to the target at impact feeling without a lateral motion of my upper spine targetwards. How do you get the hips bumping forward on the downswing without the upper spine following? When I try to manufacture this motion, it feels a little labored and artificial. As if it isn't a weight transfer causing the hip bump, but a booty-shake kind of motion, if that makes sense.

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lynchjo,

I liked the Phil Marrone golf video above. This move Phil is showing in the video is very much like the move Jack Nicklaus used to start his downswing. Jack would bring his left foot's heel off the ground then he would "step down" by bringing his left foot back to the ground - Jack said everything then fell into place there on after.

The instructor in the video above said your weight should be on the inside of your left foot at the top of your backswing - be careful you don't reverse pivot is all I caution. Overall excellent video above - the PGA instructor Phil Marrone clearly and concisely explains this lateral hip movement in the 7 minutes...
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