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post #109 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

Originally Posted by dave s View Post
I don't think you've seen true 'snobbery' until you acquire a taste for high-end guitar gear.
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Heck, all you can spend on a driver is around $500!
Or $800 or $900 for some of the previous TaylorMade TP drivers.

Virtually every hobby has its expensive components. Stamp collecting can be expensive, photography, golf... everything.

Look at the Scotty Cameron market. Some of those putters go for $5k. And then look at the old golf clubs, like OLD ones - hickory, made by some master craftsman in 1847 or whatever...
post #110 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

I see a bit of this, but not much - the only case I've seen is the occasional rules snob.

Still, my course (semi private) isn't very busy, so I can usually just play ahead a bit, of drop behind on purpose if I really want too.
post #111 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

yeah my 2k larrivee d-60 guitar kinda makes my golf clubs seem kinda cheap
post #112 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

Last Friday I decided at the last minute to try and get out for 18 but the course was booked solid. I went down anyway on the chance that a slot would open up for a single.

After over an hour of waiting, there was an opportunity to join a threesome of women however the starter did not offer to let me fill the slot so I asked him if I could join them if they would have me. He said "yes if it's ok with them" so I walked down to ask.

I said: "Hello my name is Mike and I was wondering if I could join your group?” One of the ladies stepped over and said: "Yes you are welcome to join us, my name is Chris." and extended her hand and firmly shook mine. She then said this is Joyce and Diane and I shook hands with each of them in turn and said hello. Chris then said what tees would you like to play and I said these are fine by me. We then prepared to tee off and I enjoyed a fine day of golf with three very fine players and golfing companions.

To me this is the epitome of how golfers can interact and I was impressed by it. In my opinion good etiquette, good manners, lack of snobbery or pretense of any kind, just a simple and clean social contract ... "hello, yes please join us.”

I understand that maybe this can't be the expected response for any number of reasons but to me it was sort of remarkable for what it lacked. No hint of well we would rather not play with you but don't really want to come out and say it. There was no hint of you may not fit in because your index is better than ours or ours are better than yours. No apparent sizing up based on social status, gender, dress, grooming, playing ability, brand or conditions of equipment or any of the other stuff that's been discussed here.

Disclaimers, ALL the girls were better than me; in fact you could triple Chris's index and still not come close to mine. Both Chris and Joyce could outdrive me and the women's tees are rated 68.9/128 so they are still PLENTY tough for someone at my level.
post #113 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

I don't look down on anyone on the course. I've gotten my ass kicked enough times by guys swinging cheap clubs to know better.

The people I have a tough time with are the rude, loud, inconsiderate, slow-playing folks. I couldn't care less what your clothes or clubs look like.
post #114 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

Originally Posted by iacas View Post
Or $800 or $900 for some of the previous TaylorMade TP drivers.

Virtually every hobby has its expensive components. Stamp collecting can be expensive, photography, golf... everything.

Look at the Scotty Cameron market. Some of those putters go for $5k. And then look at the old golf clubs, like OLD ones - hickory, made by some master craftsman in 1847 or whatever...
As you can see, I've spent my discretionary (actually earned!) income on guitar gear! Now, if I could get somebody to pay me to play golf ... well, nevermind, that'll NEVER happen!

dave
post #115 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

Originally Posted by Chief Broom View Post
I'll probably get flamed for this post and probably deserve it because it's a huge sweeping generalization but...

The main thing about golf that has always annoyed me is snobbery. You see snobbery everywhere, not just in golf, but golf just seems to have more than it's fair share.

There's the money issue. Are you a member of the country club or do you play at the local muni. Do you use a hand me down set of clubs (that you bought at the thrift store) or do you have the latest driver, irons, and balls. And if that isn't bad enough this snobbery comes from both directions. The country club snobs wouldn't dare set foot on the muni, and the muni snobs check you out first to make sure you aren't some country clubber slumming on their turf. The scratch golfer using persimmon woods his grandfather made looks down on the high-capper carrying a fancy new driver in his bag. The regulars at the course subtlely check out your bag to see what you're carrying, nothing is said, but the guy with nice stuff gets a bit more respect than the guy who's sporting stuff that's a few years old. And everywhere the good golfers look down on the bad golfers, and the bad golfers think the good golfers simply need to get a life outside of golf. It's crazy the amount of time and attention people put into this and if that's not bad enough golf snobbery is institutionalized. Walk into the club house at most courses and if they don't know you they cop an attitude with you right off the bat. The regulars get respect and the newbs have to wait in line and like it. Put this all together and it's enough to turn a lot of people off on this great game.

There aren't any real solutions to this problem. A lot of it is human nature, but it's always puzzled me how golf seems to bring so much of this out in people. Other sports don't seem to breed such snobbery. Snow skiing and water skiing are both sports where you can drop a load of cash on equipment and where your skill level is readily apparent. But go to the local boat ramp or ski resort and new comers are pretty much welcomed. I've never heard of tennis snobs or bowling snobs. But golf snobs can be seen at any golf course pretty on any given day. Just take your wife or kid out on the course and see how warm of a reception you get when you show up for your tee time before a couple of regular foursomes are set to take off right behind you. Don't get me wrong I'm not ignorant of the underlying reasons for much of where this is coming from, but golf just seems to accept this as a given. As a kid I learned to ignore it. I laughed when the guys at a local semi-private club looked down on me because I wasn't part of the "in" crowd. I knew that most of them weren't much better at golf than me and my money was as good as theirs. But what happens far too often is that unless someone has a connection to this sport, they'd never think twice about giving it a try and if per chance they do catching a full dose of attitude a time or two will probably be enough to steer them away from it for life. Most golf snobs are probably happy about that, and maybe that's the root of much of this: the desire for exclusivity. Golfers don't want a bunch of new people flooding their home course, but if new blood and interest doesn't keep growing golf will slowly die. But for now it's always chapped me that people cop an attitude so easily in golf.
You are RIGHT---there is snobbery eveywhere, including golf. Here is how I handle it---I have belonged to private clubs, public courses, and have played at resort courses and munis. My handicap is 4.2, and I can usually shoot between 72 and 77. When I play with a snob, who is NOT as good as me, I talk very little to him. If he asks for advice as to why he is hitting such AWFUL shots, I say, "See your pro for advice". Most rich people do not spend the time practicing the game to develop any skills, and have NO CLUE as to what to do. They want to play well (who doesn't?), but they think that buying expensive equipment and belonging to an exclusive club will do the trick. It does NOT, unless a player, any player, "pays his dues" at the practice area and the practice putting green. BUT---he does NOT have the time or ambition, so he does NOT improve. It is NOT my job to help him get rid of his bad habits. THAT is his responsibility.
post #116 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

Originally Posted by PEZGolf View Post
You are RIGHT---there is snobbery eveywhere, including golf. Here is how I handle it---I have belonged to private clubs, public courses, and have played at resort courses and munis. My handicap is 4.2, and I can usually shoot between 72 and 77. When I play with a snob, who is NOT as good as me, I talk very little to him. If he asks for advice as to why he is hitting such AWFUL shots, I say, "See your pro for advice". Most rich people do not spend the time practicing the game to develop any skills, and have NO CLUE as to what to do. They want to play well (who doesn't?), but they think that buying expensive equipment and belonging to an exclusive club will do the trick. It does NOT, unless a player, any player, "pays his dues" at the practice area and the practice putting green. BUT---he does NOT have the time or ambition, so he does NOT improve. It is NOT my job to help him get rid of his bad habits. THAT is his responsibility.
Snob:
One who tends to patronize, rebuff, or ignore people regarded as social inferiors and imitate, admire, or seek association with people regarded as social superiors.
One who affects an offensive air of self-satisfied superiority in matters of taste or intellect.

Sorry, but you sound like a bit of a snob yourself.
post #117 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

Originally Posted by PEZGolf View Post
You are RIGHT---there is snobbery eveywhere, including golf. Here is how I handle it.
...
When I play with a snob, who is NOT as good as me, I talk very little to him. ...
Most rich people do not spend the time practicing the game to develop any skills, and have NO CLUE as to what to do.
Originally Posted by Sir Shanksalot View Post
Sorry, but you sound like a bit of a snob yourself.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Yep.
post #118 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

Originally Posted by Harry Longshanks View Post
Oops, sorry.

Ribbed tank-top undershirt:
Now that you've explained what a wife-beater is, is it possible you would be kind enough to explain why it's called a wife-beater?
post #119 of 144

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I can't believe this thread is still going on.

There are snobs in golf.........and lots of other facets of life. Deal with it.
post #120 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

Originally Posted by bradpet View Post
What about "tight black capri pants"??

[for those that don't know what this means, refer to the discussion thread about Golf shoes]
Most guys just don't have the legs for them.
post #121 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

Originally Posted by Q.Q.Quillume View Post
Now that you've explained what a wife-beater is, is it possible you would be kind enough to explain why it's called a wife-beater?
As I learned it, it's from the stereotype that the sort of person who wears that type of shirt (other than as an undershirt) is a low-life redneck who, among other unpleasant activities, beats his wife. Not a very PC term, to say the least.
post #122 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

I get to travel - a lot - and I have been able to play some of the best courses in the world (and a few that don't rate too highly...). My point is that I always turn up alone and join up with people.

I believe that the reaction you get can be a reflection of the way you present yourself to the group you are joining.

I am a member of private clubs (more than my wife is aware of ) and there are people who are stand-offish in nature. But surely 5 hours in beautiful surroundings should rub off - even when you are playing awful golf!

Then again, maybe its an Australian thing. Fit in, keep up and enjoy. And find the good in anyone....
post #123 of 144

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Originally Posted by phil.smith View Post
Fit in, keep up and enjoy. And find the good in anyone....
Best post in this thread.
post #124 of 144

Re: Golf Snobbery

Originally Posted by Doctorfro View Post
I can't believe this thread is still going on.

There are snobs in golf.........and lots of other facets of life. Deal with it.
Good point.

Also, it's all very subjective. Just as one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, one person's snob may be considered by another as 'a person with standards' (or vice versa).
post #125 of 144

Snobbery is in every sport...I have played various sports ( some at a high amatuer level) and have seen the same kind of stuff everywhere as in golf...for example cycling...I got into cycling to re-hab a knee from a motorcycle wreck (while road racing)...well long story short like with most thing I endeavor in I got serious and wanted to race.  So I bought an expensive road bike (Nishiki...no longer produced) and joined a local club that did weekend rides and had a few racers in the club...I be-freinded one of the racers (who had been selected to the Olympic trials a few years back) and he set me up with a training plan which I worked on hard...anyway to the "snob part"...my wife (at the time) and I would go to the club meetings and social events (pot luck dinners, etc...) and we basically could not get anyone to even talk to us...much less offer to train with me or tell me about any training rides other then the weekly club ride...so I continued to train pretty much on my own.  Hence comes the beginning of the race season and I placed 7th in the first race and then 3rd in the Tour De Louisiana Stage race in New Orleans...WELL let me tell you that things immediately changed...now when we walked into a social event we were basically mobbed and everyone wanted to know if they could train with me and they all wanted to be my best friend...it was weird.

 

P.S.  there were also equipment snobs...I was riding a bike made in Japan with Shimano components and would get weird look from guys riding Italian bikes with Campanola (Sp?) components...well at least until I hammered them in a ride or race...then they would ask me how I like my bike...Too funny!

 

P.S.S  Actually that is one of the joys that I take from playing PING G15 irons...in that if I am paried with some people I do not know and they look in my bag and give me that snobby look (like I am not any good because I play GI irons)...I just take even greater joy in scoring better than them using my most awesome PING irons...LMAO!

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post #126 of 144

Isn't there snobbery in everything? If you haven't noticed snobbishness in a particular hobby or interest you're probably not paying enough attention to notice it's there!

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