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post #55 of 116
12/18/08 at 7:19pm

Re: ProV1's - Enough Already

Originally Posted by Big_M View Post
Just finished law school and studdying for the BAR exam... so you're way off base. Just a heads up... point of a rant... it doesn't need to make sense, it's just a little tick I have, and obviously some people agreed with me. And, no, I'm not God's gift to golf, hell... I'm not even good, but if it makes you feel better to think the things you do, then go ahead. My posts were'nt mean spirited like yours, but I guess you just don't have a lot of class. I also notice that you may be the person who is an ass to play with... I often go out as a single if my wife or brother-in-law aren't around, and I like playing with people of all abilities and income levels... you seem like you might be biased against people who make less than you or people who are better at golf then you, but whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
I've been watching this thread (d)evolve and have to say that the splits between spendy/thrifty and duffer/player were totally predictable. You tend to see these conflicts on really nice munis with low rates for locals. Here's one example

Regardless of your personal definition of 'rant', what you did with this topic was like going into a crowded party, cutting a giant silent fart in the middle of the room, and then sneaking off to watch everyone blame one another.

Entertaining? Yes. Mildly divisive? Yes. I think, being a law student, you have to be smart enough to know you can't get away with the "what, who, me?" defense here.
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post #56 of 116
12/18/08 at 7:21pm

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I consider high cappers playing tour caliber balls in the same catagory as them playing with tour caliber equipment. Certainly it's their money to do with as they please, but one can make the case that their choices aren't exactly maximizing their playing potential. Big deal right, but this also begs the question of why someone would choose to play with equipment (balls, clubs, etc.) that actually hurt their game instead of helping it? Obviously one explanation could be that the person considers the "better" equipment to be the best choice for their game (an altogether reasonable assumption to make), but there is also the cachet, the exclusivity, that comes from playing with the best, most expensive stuff. You can afford it (you've got money), and everyone else at the course envies your bag (analogous to the old fart driving the AMG). Generally speaking I've got to laugh at people who feel that way. That's not to say people who play ProV1's all feel that way, but I sure do seem to find a lot of tour caliber balls as I walk the course.

Oh yes and for the record I am extremely cheap, so no doubt that colors my impressions of the game and those who play it...
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post #57 of 116
12/18/08 at 7:26pm

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Originally Posted by RocketSauce View Post
geez, that was kind of harsh. all the single digit handicappers you've come across have crappy jobs and little or no savings, huh??? unbelievable. some of us have a lot of time for golf because we own our own companies and take the time off to play when we want....
...... I said NOT ALL. My intent of the post was not to offend single digit HCs. Trust me, I would love to be part of the club. I've just seen it a lot on here that people take offense to the equipment people choose to play.
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post #58 of 116
12/18/08 at 7:28pm

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Chief, you make a good point there. I know of a few quite well-off guys who have top of the line tour stuff that gathers dust. They won't play because they cannot hit them and the performance learning curve is too flat at the start. No doubt some of this is the misguided idea that expensive = better, and some of it is pure ego. I suppose it's different for everyone. Other people end up with equipment/balls because they are hand-me-downs or gifts. Sneering at an 11 year old who plays with Pro V1s might make someone feel good about themselves, but I know a girl who gets them for winning putting contests with her coach, so she plays them (and why not? she shoots around 90 from the men's whites). My first set of clubs were some hand-me-down blades. I quickly switched to cavity backs and only after a few years have now moved to cut-muscle. There can be a lot of reasons why someone is playing equipment that might not be suited to them. Sometimes it's ignorance, sometimes ego, sometimes they just don't care, and sometimes it's out of necessity. We can never know by just looking at the person and judging.
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post #59 of 116
12/18/08 at 7:29pm

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Originally Posted by Fat Slice View Post
Regardless of your personal definition of 'rant', what you did with this topic was like going into a crowded party, cutting a giant silent fart in the middle of the room, and then sneaking off to watch everyone blame one another.
Hmmmm...

Maybe this says something about me but what I always do at a crowded party when I cut a really loud fart is blame the pretty girl standing next to me (usually the wife although not always).
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post #60 of 116
12/18/08 at 7:34pm
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Re: ProV1's - Enough Already

Originally Posted by Fat Slice View Post
Regardless of your personal definition of 'rant', what you did with this topic was like going into a crowded party, cutting a giant silent fart in the middle of the room, and then sneaking off to watch everyone blame one another.

Entertaining? Yes. Mildly divisive? Yes. I think, being a law student, you have to be smart enough to know you can't get away with the "what, who, me?" defense here.
Nice analogy... OK I admit it, I did intend to provoke some heated discussion... I thrive on debate, so it's in my nature. I just wanted to keep the personal attacks to a minimum... i.e. "must make minimum wage", or my initial response to that saying "Steve might be an ass to play with". Controversy can be ineresting, ao long as we don't get out of hand.
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post #61 of 116
12/18/08 at 7:41pm

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Good rant but I can't be doing with reading all the thread. Agree in parts though but it's their money which leads me on to....

Originally Posted by kyldo View Post
I love that hackers play them. I can go in the bush and get them free.
Absolutely! Long may it continue .
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post #62 of 116
12/18/08 at 9:06pm

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i found a couple of pro v1x's in the woods next to the cart path on 15... should i play them? or will it irk someone? mwahahaha
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post #63 of 116
12/18/08 at 9:37pm

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I prefer the feel of the ProV1 to any other ball I play, but agree that the price is a bit excessive. The NXT tour doesn't have the feel and isn't quite as good around the greens but it is definitely easier on the bank account, and possibly a bit longer this time of the year for me. . I'll still play ProV's in the summer and when it really counts but when the leaves are falling I'll save my money.
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post #64 of 116
12/18/08 at 10:04pm

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I’ve often dreamed of becoming a ProV1.
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post #65 of 116
12/18/08 at 10:35pm

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Heh guys. Newbie to the forum here. I haven't quite figured out how to get all of my personal information sorted out but I am not a 36 handicap like my info says. I rarerly have felt the need to spend the money on prov 1 as well. I would rather save a bit and play a precept u tri tour which was a great ball for half the price. Yes the prov 1 is better, particularly on partial wedge shots, however one can learn to account for the spin of a lesser ball when they play with it daily.
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post #66 of 116
12/19/08 at 2:08am

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Originally Posted by Big_M View Post
OK... this is a little bit of a rant...

Why the hell does every two bit hack of a golfer with a little money need to play these balls. 90% of golfers out there won't see any significant difference between a ProV1 and say an NXT Tour, HX Bite, or Top-Flite Gamer for that matter. So why pay double the price? I know some people have money to piss away, but it just doesn't make any sense to me. Especially if you're a 14 handicap slicer... go play a frigging low spin ball that'll reduce that slice and cost less than half the price. Maybe I'm overreacting, but it just drives me nuts seeing so many people extol the greatness of a ball that probably isn't all that suited to thier game or one that they can't tell the difference between it and any other ball in the first place.

just had to get that off my chest... sorry
I love seeing folks play them....keep spending the $$$$.....any money spent on golf is great for the game as far as I'm concerned.

They do feel great coming off the putter and wedges.

The more high handicappers playing them the better....that means more of the balls I find in the woods looking for my errant drives will be ProV1 quality balls.
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post #67 of 116
12/19/08 at 3:06am

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THe only thing i can equate to this argument is 25 hdcp's using scotty cameron putters, sure they would be just as well off using a less expensive putter with some forgiveness, however they like the feel/prestige/status or they actually think its a more effective tool, which for 99% of golfers will result in a more enjoyable golfing experience, better stuff= more confidence= more fun. i would hate to think that people are having fun while playing golf. i play prov1's until i find something i like as much, and ive tried them all
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post #68 of 116
12/19/08 at 10:50am

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Originally Posted by Dub View Post
I love seeing folks play them....keep spending the $$$$.....any money spent on golf is great for the game as far as I'm concerned.
I certainly agree with this! Buy as many as you can, and buy them for your relatives too, even if they don't play golf!

Signed,
An FO Shareholder
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post #69 of 116
12/19/08 at 9:18pm

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scotty putters aren't any harder to hit then others i play a scotty and well it is better then the putter i played previously but when i put the tape on it that shows you were you hit it i hit center every time
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post #70 of 116
12/20/08 at 2:56am

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there could be a better ball that i could play overall, but i just love the feel the prov1s give.
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post #71 of 116
12/24/08 at 3:25am

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I play ProV1x's, for me they are the longest premium ball, must be the higher compression and they also spin more than enough for me, i've always put a lot of spin on the ball. For me ProV1x's are 10 yards longer for me vs the ProV1

If I could find another ball (and I haven't tried all that hard) that performed and felt the same and cost 1/2 the price, I might switch to them. Because I remember being a frugal college student.

Money isn't a concern though for me (when were talking about $50 vs $30).

I've never been more than a 13 HDCP, and that was when I was 14, so I can't really comment on whether a premium ball might benefit a higher handicap.
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post #72 of 116
12/24/08 at 8:29pm

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High Handicappers play pro V1's for the same reason as:

Why people who aren't racecar drivers buy Lamborghini or Ferrari--

Why people who aren't great basketball players spend a few hundred dollars on a pair of bball sneakers--

Why people who aren't software programmers buy the best/most expensive computers they can get--

Why people who aren't wine connoisseurs drink expensive wines--


It's not because we need it... it's because we can
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