Originally Posted by mdl
Maybe you're exaggerating for effect. But when I play it's almost always with at least 2 randoms. I don't think I've ever seen someone shoot a 114 and claim an 89. Every so often I'll play with someone who'll use a foot wedge or two, but I very rarely see people take mulligans. Sure people take some gimmes and maybe just ignore (score wise) a ball lost off the tee, but among the golfers who are scoring themselves better than they really played the average has to be more in the 2-6 strokes better range, not the 20-30 strokes range!
I never meant to imply that folks shooting 114 were claiming 89. I guess I can see how you extrapolated that, but the numbers you pulled were from two separate points I was making. I apologize for the confusion. I definitely do not see any golfers reducing their score by 25 strokes as those numbers show. I doubt many 114 golfers are really tallying the score at the end of the round at all.
But I stand by my central point from the post, "Most are not breaking 100 - even though they play from the blues. But if you look at the card at the end of the round - high 80's / low 90's." Almost everyone I play with reports a score in the 80's or 90's - assuming I heard them say something out loud. Some of them really did break 100 (or shot the actual 82 they reported), but many did not. Maybe he shot 98 and reported 88. Or shot 100 and reported 93.
I very rarely hear someone report that they shot a 103 - or anything over 100. Maybe the implication of 10 strokes on average is a little overstated, but something like 7 is not. Not for the golfers I see on the weekend. A majority of the ones I play with take mulligans or "hit another one". Lots of lie fluffing, foot wedges from behind trees, lost balls treated as laterals, long gimmies, etc. Over 18 holes, these efforts can add up fast. The point I was trying to make was that the concept of par, and what we see guys shoot on tv, and what others claim to shoot can influence folks talking about sub-100 scores they didn't shoot.