Originally Posted by k-troop
Hogan's military service and car accident are irrelevant. Either he won 70 times or he didn't. And he didn't.
Jack did, including 18 majors. The only players who could be compared to Jack in 1980 with any form of a straight face were Snead and Hogan, but both fell woefully short: Snead based on majors and failure to win the US Open, and Hogan based on total wins.
Which is why, in 1980, there was no discussion about GOAT: it was Jack, hands down. Prior to 1965ish there may have been legitimate debates about Snead, Hogan, Jones, et al. But in 1980 there was no debate.
In 2013 there is a valid debate again. The other contender's name is Tiger. There are myriad arguments for and against either, but no argument for any other player that will be accepted by more than 1% of informed fans.
But wait. I thought it was impossible to compare players of different eras. I guess that is only when it is convenient.
If Hogan fell short on total wins then so did Jack, since he never matched Snead. And now does not match Tiger.
And Jack does not match Vardon, since he falls short in the number of British Opens won.
And Jack does not match Tiger in 5 win seasons.
And Jack does not match Tiger in money titles
And Jack does not match Tiger in Vardons (and don't give me any crap about Jack not playing enough rounds - you set the standard when you said "Either he won 70 times or he didn't. And he didn't." about Hogan. And Jack's failure to play enough rounds was his choice, WW2 and the accident weren't Hogan's choice.
And Jack didn't match Tiger in 8+ win seasons.
And Jack didn't match Tiger in 3 major win seasons
And Jack didn't match Tiger in consecutive majors won.
And Jack didn't match ANY of Tiger's top three consecutive win streaks
And Jack didn't match Tiger's no cut streak.
And Jack didn't match Tiger's 10 Player of the Year awards.
Wow, this game is fun!!
But all of that is meaningless in the face of 18>14
See, Erik they SAY that is not their metric but when it comes right down to it, that is all they have.