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  1. 1. Are you going to purchase new wedges prior to next year?

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Just curious as to how many people are going to make a point to buy an extra set or two of wedges with the square grooves before the new grooves take over the marketplace next year.

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Not me.

I'm just not good enough for it to make that significant of a difference in my game.

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw

Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
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Not me.

will the average golfer even notice the difference? Also, for those that play weekend tournements, will they be forced to change all of their clubs next year?

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some golf clubs

a few golf balls

a bag of tee's some already broken the rest soon to be

a snickers wrapper (if you have seen me play, you would know you are not going anywhere for a while)

and an empty bottle of water

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will the average golfer even notice the difference? Also, for those that play weekend tournements, will they be forced to change all of their clubs next year?

No (at least in my humble opinion) and no.

I think the OP was really referring to the likelihood that manufacturers will begin making their top of the line clubs to conform to the new rules. So even though the average recreational amateur isn't affected by the rule, the availability of square groove clubs is likely to diminish.

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw

Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

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If I do it won't be because of the groove change, it will be because I need a new wedge. I didn't answer the poll because that wasn't given as an option.

Rick

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I just bought two wedges, but I'll use them this year. I tend to buy my two wedges early in the year, use them for the year, and then get new ones.

So I'll get new ones at this time next year, just like I always have.

I, too, didn't answer the poll as there's no real answer that suits me. I already bought my new grooves for the year, and I'm not buying new ones next year because of the groove change.

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My question is are you going to be able to play with the Spin Milled or similar when the new rule comes into effect or are you going to have to buy conforming wedges?

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I have no plans to stock-up on wedges. I'll play the wedges I have until the grooves wear out and then I will buy new ones.

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Woods: :mizuno: JPX 850 9.5*, :mizuno: JPX 850 15*, :mizuno: JPX-850 19*, :mizuno: JPX Fli-Hi #4, :mizuno: JPX 800 Pro 5-PW, :mizuno: MP T-4 50-06, 54-09 58-10, :cleveland: Smart Square Blade and :bridgestone: B330-S

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To honest, I picked an answer before knowing the details.

I said yes, simply because I was planning on buying a new wedge soon and was unaware of any changes.

So, someone please fill me in? What's changing and if I buy a wedge now, will it be illegal next year or nonconforming? Not that I'm a pro, just saying.
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Is the rule change really going to make that much of a difference to say a 10 handicap(where I hope to be soon). :) Or is this something that only a pro is going to notice in the US Open when they're hitting in 3" of rough 90 yards from the green?

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As an amateur you can still use square grooves until the year 2024... but you likely will have a harder time finding them. As of 1/1/10... all clubs manufactured have to conform to the new rule changes (v grooves). That same date is when professionals have to adhere to the new rule as well.

Will it affect an amateur... I think it will. I think it will affect the overall amount of spin we can impart on a ball... regardless if it is in the rough or on the fairway. I think it is going to make it a lot harder to hold a green.

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As an amateur you can still use square grooves until the year 2024... but you likely will have a harder time finding them. As of 1/1/10... all clubs manufactured have to conform to the new rule changes (v grooves).

The rule change does not specify V grooves or the banishment of square grooves.

Will it affect an amateur... I think it will. I think it will affect the overall amount of spin we can impart on a ball... regardless if it is in the rough or on the fairway. I think it is going to make it a lot harder to hold a green.

I've been using conforming grooves for a year. Based on everything I've seen, you're way off base with that statement, and the USGA's study backs that up. I encourage everyone to read the results.

Besides, most 10+ handicappers don't hit the green very often to begin with, and they rarely make clean enough contact.

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The rule change does not specify V grooves or the banishment of square grooves.

No it doesnt specify the use of V grooves... but the volume of the new grooves are going to be comparable to the volume of V grooves... therefore... less spin... more flyers... etc.

Now... saying a 10+ handicapper doesnt make clean contact, especially with a wedge inside 100yds, is ridiculous. Making clean contact and hitting a green have nothing to do with each other so I would say your post is way off base. The originaly post isnt talking about hitting a green from 180 out with a 5 iron... it is solely a discussion about wedges. So... once again... your statement that amateurs do not hit many GIR is pointless and has no relevance to the discussion. The discussion is about the spin your current wedges produce vs the spin the new grooves will produce. As for suggesting that everyone read the USGA study... are you referring to the one that states: "The U.S. Golf Association's final report of its nearly two-year-long study of grooves (in conjunction with the Royal and Ancient Golf Club) confirms its preliminary findings, namely that the U-shaped grooves on iron and wedge faces have a significant spin generation advantage over V-shaped grooves. The report was sent to manufacturers last month, and a portion of the report was obtained by Golf Digest through industry sources. In its conclusion, the report reads, "modern groove and face treatment specifications represent a significant performance improvement in terms of spin generation over more traditional V-shaped grooves." ... meaning the past few years groove technology has spin advantages... this is what prompted the rule change thus taking those spin advantages away... or at least reducing them.

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No it doesnt specify the use of V grooves... but the volume of the new grooves are going to be comparable to the volume of V grooves... therefore... less spin... more flyers... etc.

I know. You're the one who said V grooves.

Now... saying a 10+ handicapper doesnt make clean contact, especially with a wedge inside 100yds, is ridiculous.

I don't think it's ridiculous. I've played with ten handicappers. Most have trouble consistently finding the center of the clubface on a 25-yard pitch or chip let alone a full swing.

As for suggesting that everyone read the USGA study... are you referring to the one that states:

You should probably read more than the summary. The executive summary you quoted speaks to the contact pros make, not the contact the average amateur makes. It also speaks to using urethane covered balls, not surlyn balls or other kinds of balls played in greater frequency by amateurs.

The average amateur makes pretty poor contact. If anything, the less aggressive grooves may make these types of players MORE reliable - their shots will run out more consistently. I've seen some guys surprised when their short chip shot checked up 20 feet short of the hole because they made contact "too well." Beyond that, it's just my opinion.

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Pro's are not allowed to play spinmilled wedges next year.
For us recreational golfers, we will be allowed to play them in local tournys for the next 5 years.
Driver: Titleist 909 D2 (VooDoo shaft)
Woods: Titleist 909 D3 (15 deg, VooDoo shaft)
Hybrids: Mizuno MX700 (20 deg)
Irons: Titleist ZB (4-pw)
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Pro's are not allowed to play spinmilled wedges next year.

Not necessarily. I expect Titleist may very well keep the "spin milled" name, but just revise the groove depth, spacing, or some other aspect to make them conform.

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Just the opposite for me.

I'm due for some new wedges soon, but I am actually going to purposely hold off until next year and buy some conforming ones.

I am just curious what they will be like, and as Erik suggests, I don't think they will have much effect on my game, considering my ability and the courses I play. Maybe it's dumb, but I think it will be cool to experience the same changes firsthand that we are bound to hear about endlessly during PGA Tour broadcasts.
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