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post #55 of 60
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Originally Posted by canadianpro View Post

I've had the great pleasure of not only watching Moe hit balls but having the chance to play with him a couple of times. Moe use to put coins down two feet behind and two feet ahead of the ball and his idea was to have the clubhead square to the target throughout that zone while "holding the angle" (his defintion of lag). If it was any easy task to copy Moe's "action" we all would be doing it but I have seen many try and to my knowledge nobody has been able to master it to the point where they are regarded as one of the best ball-strkers ever. He was one of a kind and to watch him was amazing.


Lots of discussion out there that, although Norman was a great ball striker, he was not a long hitter off the tee.  What was your experience during your rounds with him?  Given the different equipment back then, was he a "long" hitter?

post #56 of 60
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Originally Posted by Harmonious View Post


Lots of discussion out there that, although Norman was a great ball striker, he was not a long hitter off the tee.  What was your experience during your rounds with him?  Given the different equipment back then, was he a "long" hitter?

He was a lot longer as a Young kid.

long enough to shoot 59 several Times in competition.

he was also way above 80% in greens and fairways.

his head injury as a kid made him akward and since society has low tolerance for geniuses and autism he never made it on the PGA Circuit.

post #57 of 60

I don't know if he still does but Sandy Lyle used Moes style of swing some years back, just worth mentioning a former open and masters winner felt it was a worthwhile technique.

post #58 of 60
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Originally Posted by mmoan2 View Post

All,

 

I thought I got this posted last night, but I guess not. After two years of golf, I've inevitably come across the "Legend of Moe Norman," the "Greatest Ball Striker Who Ever Lived." I've seen his swing on YouTube in its current incarnation, so it's one of a 60+ year-old man, but I heard that in his heyday he was the most consistent ball striker ever. What's his secret, anyone who knows, and is his swing one worth emulating? His swing now looks bereft of power, but I saw on some infomercial that even as a youth he would "drive one ball after another 250 down the middle of the fairway..." I would love to be 250 in the dead center of every fairway as much as anyone else, but I also want to be able to go at par 5's in 2 once in a while. I think I'd sacrifice 250 95% of the time for 290+ 65% of the time. I also haven't seen any mention of his short game, or even full wedge swings. I'm sure I could form my own conclusions after looking at some film, but I was wondering if any of you experts out there have some thoughts. Thanks.

Here's my take:

 

Secret? He started with the club shaft on the same plane that he finished at impact. Everything he did was to make this happen as simply as he could. That setup looks funny to many people and is not taught as a conventional swing where the plane of the shaft is lower at setup than it will be at impact.

 

Power? I'm much longer than I was before Moe and my clubhead speed is faster than my old "conventional" swing. And I'm longer than many 53 year olds. Moe was long as a young man. Not OMG long, but long. This may be as much from hitting the ball pure as it is from clubhead speed. Power comes from clubhead speed delivered at the right place at the right time. I think Moe did this well and even did it as an old man.

 

Full wedge shots? Even as an older man, he could hit buckets of wedge shots into a tiny space. There is lots of video of his wedge swing. In many respects it is a baby version of the full swing.

 

Short game? He had very natural abilities and great hand eye coordination. One of his issues was that he was very visual. He would see his target and hit the ball to it -- much like throwing a ball to a basket. If he had a blind shot, he struggled. I think this was part of his Asperger Syndrome (never officially diagnosed). Short game bottom line is although he hit a lot of greens, he could get up and down well when he missed a green. He had a sand wedge with a huge bottom. This was a time of slower greens and this odd wedge allowed him to get out and get the ball rolling. (An idea for a different time.) In his younger days, he did not like to practice putting and would often play without putting (just played counting fairways, GIR and flags hit). But he could putt well enough to set a lot of course records. As he got older, he came to embrace the idea of putting. Even so, his gift to the game is off the green.

 

Quirks? He had many quirks that his swing better than his game. He played very very fast and could not tolerate slow play that was part of tournament golf even in his day. He had his own sense of justice and fairness which led him to sell his prizes from amateur competitions (watches, radios, and the like.) He was easily distracted into playing to and for the crowd including hitting tee shots off a Coke bottle. In an era when elite and pro golf was more of a club than a profession, Moe did not fit into the club.

 

Learn to swing like Moe? I recommend it. My friends have seen the results in my game. Still, the pull toward convention has not allowed a single friend switch. This, even as I have passed them all in lowering my handicap to the lowest in my extended group. My son says the setup looks too weird for him to consider it. To me, it looks and feels normal after so many years. If your game is good now, this is a big switch and you are unlikely to embrace any huge swing change to shave one of two strokes off your game or hit one more fairway per round. If your current swing is worthy of a complete do-over, then I recommend starting over with Moe.

post #59 of 60
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Originally Posted by rustyredcab View Post

Power? I'm much longer than I was before Moe and my clubhead speed is faster than my old "conventional" swing. And I'm longer than many 53 year olds. Moe was long as a young man. Not OMG long, but long. This may be as much from hitting the ball pure as it is from clubhead speed. Power comes from clubhead speed delivered at the right place at the right time. I think Moe did this well and even did it as an old man.

 

To be fair, his "younger days" swing was a bit more "conventional" as well. Not a lot of video of it, but he slowly adopted the style for which he's famous, and according to many Canadians I've known who played with him, got progressively shorter too.

 

And to be clear, too, about being fair: I'm not saying he was ever truly "short" - but compared to what he was, or what he probably could have been, he was shorter.

 

I've messed around with his swing (Chuck Evans was watching me and helping me do it), and it's easy to see how it can be a bit more accurate. Instead of a 180-yard six-iron I hit them about 172 or so. 10%, and probably closer to 8%.

 

YMMV. :)

post #60 of 60

It's easy to tell I still don't know **** about golf, because after looking for videos of "Moe Norman" swinging, I have no idea what possibly makes his swing so unique or remarkable.  Perhaps I'm just watching the wrong videos or something.  

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