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post #19 of 120

Re: "Deep" Hands Explained

Of course it's possible to get the hands deep without flipping the club inside. Just look at Charlie Wi, Rickie Fowler, David Wedzik, Erik, heck, even I am able to do it.

If you never practice it and don't use something to aid you in identifying the proper move, don't expect to get it down. Have any of you really tried the methods suggested before complaining? The how's and where's have been spelled out with both text and pictures, all you have to do is go work on it.

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post #20 of 120

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Iacas,

Does this swing issue tend to creep in with you more with a particular club?

I am just thinking that I can feel the deepness with most of my irons, but tend to lose it more so with the driver. It almost feels too deep. What is your experience?
post #21 of 120

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Originally Posted by Zeph View Post
Of course it's possible to get the hands deep without flipping the club inside. Just look at Charlie Wi, Rickie Fowler, David Wedzik, Erik, heck, even I am able to do it.

If you never practice it and don't use something to aid you in identifying the proper move, don't expect to get it down. Have any of you really tried the methods suggested before complaining? The how's and where's have been spelled out with both text and pictures, all you have to do is go work on it.
The method Iacas suggested is really helping. Feels very awkward which I know is a good sign. It feels like my takeaway is much steeper now due to the early wrist cock (kinda look like fowler at p2, but that's just rehearsing in slow motion), but the early wrist cock has helped eliminate the rotation that gets me inside.

My swing thought for practicing this is quickly bring the hands back around the right side of my belt line while cocking them. When they are cocked they can't rotate anywhere near as easily. I'd say I have maybe 20% the rotational ability with my wrists when they are cocked then uncocked.

Thanks Iacas and Zeph. I'll try to get a video up soon. I was already getting pretty deep hands with my more natural feeling takeway, I was just rotating my wrists too much from p1 to p2
post #22 of 120

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I've been rehearsing this in the mirror and I think I've finally got a solid swing thought for it. I was getting my hands deep in my last post but not necessarily high in the p4 position (such as left arm pointing at least 45* between left arm at p3 and straight up vertically from a face on view . This is what the height i was lacking kind of looks like this \ even though that's more like 60 degrees and if you imagined a clubs haft attatched to that you'd imagine it parallel to the ground at p4)

Anyways, I was getting the depth now without height until I felt like to me what was the right sequence. I think quickly deep as possible almost imagining myself reaching straight behind my back until I can't reach back there anymore all while cocking my wrists. When I feel I'm approaching the deepest I can reach I'll start moving up while still stretching deep. This took me a while to put together in slow motion but when I finally brought it up to full speed the whoosh of my driver was like never before. Definitely got more club head speed and felt more from the inside on the downswing.

Also, I noticed getting my hands deep with the sensation that I am almost pushing my hands and arms straight behind me encourages a better hip turn in the process. Something I feel I was lacking. The coil this is bringing is crazy. I feel like back swing is shortened by a lot (club shaft pointing parallel or worse wise) because I am going more back instead of up. I love this feeling of not coming over the top as well.

One thing. Is it okay if my the club head is a decent amount outside than the hands at p2? I can't draw a little circle around mine with this new take away.

edit: Well I'm guessing the answer to that last question is yes, because Fowler's swing looks amazing in this one. stopping at p2 his club head plane is way outside. this is good I'm assuming. either that or his swing is too flat which would mean the depth was good not enough height? Although it looks like it works for Rickie



here is maybe a poor swing from Fowler?



Nicklaus and Faldo didn't sound like they were liking it too much.
post #23 of 120

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So according to SnT, which swing movements/aspects are most important if you had to rank them?

No weight shift back/centered
Deep hands
Hip slide
Shoulder tilt towards target
Let the back knee flex
Popping up around impact
post #24 of 120

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I've never understood the purpose of trying pop up around impact (I assume you mean straightening your front leg to post up on). I just know people do it. Whenever I tried it I just lost my balance.
post #25 of 120

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Originally Posted by MJP View Post
I can't believe this post has so few responses. It's old, but very relevant.
shout out to MJP, I was looking for this thread...couldn't find it....thanks!
post #26 of 120
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Originally Posted by MJP View Post
One thing. Is it okay if my the club head is a decent amount outside than the hands at p2? I can't draw a little circle around mine with this new take away.
Just cock the club up a little less quickly. Ideally you want it on line, though if I had to pick I might prefer it to be slightly over rather than slightly under.

Originally Posted by MJP View Post
I've never understood the purpose of trying pop up around impact (I assume you mean straightening your front leg to post up on). I just know people do it. Whenever I tried it I just lost my balance.
You're probably not doing it correctly. It happens around or just before P6. It's not a true "pop up" move - it's just a lengthening and extension of the left side of your body. The point is to whip the club around the corner (P6) and into the ball and also to get the club out of the ground quickly. It's a shallowing move that also plays a big role in power/clubhead speed.

Originally Posted by nevets88 View Post
So according to SnT, which swing movements/aspects are most important if you had to rank them?
Mike and Andy are asked to describe their swing in two words. They say "Weight forward." Give them two more and they say "Shoulder down." Two more and they add "Hands in." Two more? "Arms straight." And the downswing is summed up by their final two words: "Tuck butt."

That answers the question.
post #27 of 120

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OK, I started to really feel deep hands today and it felt strange, but it should. It brought me on plane and the ball flights was really good with less thin/fat shots. The problem I get with it occasionally is a huge pull to the left(probably not not turning through. Also, I can get stuck and a lower burner to the right will happen. I think both are related to turn. Any advice?
post #28 of 120

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Mike and Andy are asked to describe their swing in two words. They say "Weight forward." Give them two more and they say "Shoulder down." Two more and they add "Hands in." Two more? "Arms straight." And the downswing is summed up by their final two words: "Tuck butt."
Thanks. That is a very handy dandy "cheatsheet".

Arms straight - that's a couple of feet after impact?
post #29 of 120

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Originally Posted by alomar123 View Post
OK, I started to really feel deep hands today and it felt strange, but it should. It brought me on plane and the ball flights was really good with less thin/fat shots. The problem I get with it occasionally is a huge pull to the left(probably not not turning through. Also, I can get stuck and a lower burner to the right will happen. I think both are related to turn. Any advice?
Refer to the other thread.

My wild-ass guess is both misses ultimately come from the same thing -- not going forward enough and coming over the top. When the club face is closed at impact you get a dead pull and when it's open you drill it out to the right.
post #30 of 120
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Originally Posted by TourSpoon View Post
I am just thinking that I can feel the deepness with most of my irons, but tend to lose it more so with the driver. It almost feels too deep. What is your experience?
It can't really be "too deep" because your chest gets in the way. It can be "not high enough" if you swing like Matt Kuchar last year, I suppose, but not "too deep."

With the driver, the swing plane is flatter because you're not as bent over, so the driver will actually be the "deepest" of them all. The shoulders turn flatter than with a wedge, so more of the rotational direction is horizontal than with a steeper plane.
post #31 of 120

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What is the shot shape produced by deep hands? Is there only one way to get your hands deep, or you can achieve that position in a different way?

Cheers!
post #32 of 120
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Originally Posted by atrapasueƱos View Post
What is the shot shape produced by deep hands? Is there only one way to get your hands deep, or you can achieve that position in a different way?
Whatever you want. But if you don't take your hands deep, you can really only hit pulls and fades/slices. If the hands never get in, you can't hit in to out at anything.
post #33 of 120

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I started working on getting my hands deep about a month ago and found the ball flight changed to from a slight fade to a slight draw.I sometimes hit draw when I'm looking for a straighter ball flight, or sometimes draw the ball a bit much, approaching a hook but I'm almost certain this is due to overactive hands.All in all it's been a great improvement, striking the ball much much better.
post #34 of 120

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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
It can't really be "too deep" because your chest gets in the way. It can be "not high enough" if you swing like Matt Kuchar last year, I suppose, but not "too deep."

With the driver, the swing plane is flatter because you're not as bent over, so the driver will actually be the "deepest" of them all. The shoulders turn flatter than with a wedge, so more of the rotational direction is horizontal than with a steeper plane.
Yes, I think that is my breakdown with the driver is that it is the "deepest" of all and trusting it when the swing gets a little off is paramount. When the trust is gone, the lift comes back and then the fun begins...good post.
post #35 of 120

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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
Whatever you want. But if you don't take your hands deep, you can really only hit pulls and fades/slices. If the hands never get in, you can't hit in to out at anything.
Ok, because I checked today and my hands cross somewhere near my bicep, maybe trying to get deeper will help.

Cheers!
post #36 of 120

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Originally Posted by atrapasueƱos View Post
Ok, because I checked today and my hands cross somewhere near my bicep, maybe trying to get deeper will help.
According to the S&T book, from the DTL view, your hands should pass roughly through the base to the middle of your right bicep on the backswing. So you're probably in pretty good shape.
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