Originally Posted by newtogolf
It's an interesting discussion, imo, it was the combination of Jack's personality, relationship with the media and fantastic accomplishments that allowed him to change metric of what constituted the greatest golfer.
Tiger's accomplishments are equal or superior to Jack's and if he were to attempt to change the metric, I doubt he'd have much success.
Exactly my point.
Originally Posted by k-troop
I guess my point is that Jack didn't change the metric all by himself.
Exactly. Which is why said with the connivance of the media. His statement about the fairest way to judge golfers across eras was rubbish because he was using an apples and oranges argument. From the time he played his first major as pro until the year in which he won his final major he played in 100 majors. At an equivalent point in his career Snead had played in 57 majors. Hogan, at an equivalent point played in 41. So the fair way to compare these 3 guys is which won more majors? It is absurd.
Originally Posted by cristphoto
I don't think Jack changed the yardstick by the importance he placed on majors. I just think he rightly figured out the fact that the best golfers would all play the majors. Just saying who won the most tournaments doesn't necessarily place you at the top of the worlds best. Take Jumbo Osaki for example. He had countless wins in Japan but when he would be invited to play in the majors his record was weak. Plus I remember when Nicklaus first came on the scene he started beating Palmer who was the fans and medias darling. Plus early is his career Jack was overweight and he would be heckled and not respected as much as his record would seem to deserve. The one thing I've always respected Nicklaus for is his never putting his foot in his mouth. If he lost he would never complain about a bad break or other issues. He would simply and sincerely shake his opponents hand and congratulate them. From some of the articles I've read about Hogan he was never the warm and fuzzy type and (presumably) never got as much recognition as his record would appear to deserve.
Wow, there is some misinformation here. Your first 2 sentences are flatly wrong, as Jack was talking about comparing his record with the records of those who went before who, as I showed above, had far fewer opportunities. Even when he said it not every top player played all the majors. He is the only player who ever was considered the GOAT on the basis of having won the most majors. Unless, of course you thought Walter Hagen was the GOAT before Jack got his 12th.
As to him putting his foot in his mouth, he had the advantage of having almost all of is career before the 24/7 internet news cycle. His statement about the anatomy of black golfers as a reason they were not prominent on tour is a classic of his. So he put his foot in his mouth, it was not nearly as widely reported and commented on as it would be today.