or Connect
TheSandTrap.com › Golf Forum › The Clubhouse › Golf Talk › Tiger Back in 2 weeks???
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Tiger Back in 2 weeks??? - Page 5

post #73 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Originally Posted by Gioguy21 View Post
...play the masters with no tournament practice beforehand? doubtful...it IS Tiger...you really think he'd come in cold with no tourney warmup first?...


(you really want to be in the penalty box losin those points? lol)
I just have a feeling he will return to the form when he embarrassed the field at the Masters for his first win. It's all between the ears for Tiger. He was a much more dominate player before the Marriage and Kids...which led to the strippers unfortunately.

I think his anchor point will be his kids and saving his marriage on his return, golf will be his exclamation point to that.

Strippers = Bad
post #74 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Originally Posted by Doctorfro View Post
I believe in second chances but I haven't heard a word from his mouth since this happened. Have heard no word of remorse. So until I hear that I can't say I'll be glad to see him back. Plus, I agree with the old heads that he needs to come back with a bit more humble attitude. You can play with fire without being an ass.
Tiger comments on current events
By Tiger Woods
I have let my family down and I regret those transgressions with all of my heart. I have not been true to my values and the behavior my family deserves. I am not without faults and I am far short of perfect. I am dealing with my behavior and personal failings behind closed doors with my family. Those feelings should be shared by us alone.


Source: http://web.tigerwoods.com/news/artic...27740572/news/

I fail to see the connection of his private life with the Tour and other statements in this thread that do not relate to the OP's topic. I don't understand why people, without personal knowledge of Tiger Woods' family life, are so judgemental.
post #75 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Originally Posted by Yukari View Post
I agree with you that Doctorfro seems to be contradicting himself. He seems to be saying he will forgive Tiger only if he asks for it. I thought giving someone a second chance meant no strings attached.

Not trying to be pedantic here, but usually giving someone a second chance DOES mean there are strings attached. When a boss tells an employee "I'm going to give you a second chance and not fire you for your screw ups this time, but we're going to put in place a performance improvement plan for you to keep your job", or when a judge tells a newly convicted felon "I don't really think you're big risk to society, so I'm going to give you a second chance and sentence you to probation with many conditions that you'll have to meet" there are nothing but strings attached. Or when a wife catches here husband cheating (hmmm, perhaps Elin?) and says "I'm going to give you a second chance, but here are the conditions you MUST comply with or I take half of everything you own and will make for years to come". Rarely are second chances in life without strings.

Personally, I have been very disappointed in watching Tiger "degrade" over the last few years with all the club throwing, cursing, etc. It doesn't seem like he enjoys the game much anymore. Many years ago I was fortunate enough to play a round with he and his dad when he was 16, and it seems that the Tiger I met then was much more disciplined and mature than the one we see nearly 16 years later. But although I have rooted for him because of my impressions from that day and my acquantance with a friend of Tiger's dad, I really don't feel his off-course life should be judged as severely it has been - he's just a human like all of us, and I imagine that the obsessive and selfish personality needed to play the game at that level comes with a whole set of personality flaws.

But I hope Tiger gets back out playing soon because the Tour just isn't the same without him. And while I hope he shows remorse, comes back a little more humble and as a calmer man without the tantrums, it really doesn't matter to me if he does or doesn't because we need his competitive obsession back out on Tour. We need those #1 versus #2 battles. Those back nine charges into contention. The insurmountable leads that makes others wilt away. Those amazing putts that always seem to fall when needed the most. Those miracle shots played by a player who wants to win and not simply cash a good check. Those are the qualities that make the Tour exciting and fun, and if the man behind them is a kind, generous person with strong values we all admire, then all the better because he'll be someone we really want to root for, and if he degenerates into someone that ends up the sports "villian" we end up rooting against then that's OK too. Because it isn't the offcourse activities that keeps us glued to the TV on Sunday, but instead the amazing drama on the course, and no delivers that better than Tiger.
post #76 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Originally Posted by ctw262 View Post
Tiger owes the public nothing except living up to the title of the world's best golfer. And, I think Iacas got it right that Tiger isn't out to "please" anybody (fans). He's there to win golf tournaments. Also, while I am a huge Mickelson fan, I wouldn't mind seeing the 2 best players battle it out...again.
It brings back good memories of last year's Masters Sunday, even though neither was likely to win. Or the U.S. Open, where both were near the top of the leaderboard towards the end. Or the TOUR Championship last year.

Originally Posted by RCF View Post
I don't understand why people, without personal knowledge of Tiger Woods' family life, are so judgemental.
It's unfortunately very common to see people judge someone for a situation that the judge could never have been in, whether it's a policeman using seemingly excessive force or an athlete taking ill-advised professionals. It's a way to feel good about oneself -- "I would never cheat on Elin," say plenty of people who, probably, have never had a chance to cheat on their wife. It's unfortunate that such persons may affect Tiger's experience in coming back, and I wonder if that's why he didn't return at Torrey Pines, where he usually draws a huge crowd. And it makes me wonder why he didn't choose this week, when so many of the crowd are going to watch a 3-handicap and a 4.6-handicap compete instead of watching Phil.
post #77 of 92
Originally Posted by leezer99 View Post
Personally I don't care when he comes back if at all. What he put his wife and kids through should be enough to kick him off the tour.
Blah, blah, blah blah blah. What a load of sanctimonious crap. This thread was about whether or not Tiger is coming back in two weeks, keep your judgmental hypocracy to yourself. I am really tired of self righteous piety.

Originally Posted by Fastrack View Post
I like watching the best as well, however I do agree with what Watson commented, " Tiger needs to show humility".....if Tiger cares is different story.

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/tiger_...lt08aeTl1MBJeP
I agree with that as well, this would be a great time for Tiger to finally elevate himself beyond the temper issues.He has an incredible personality when he shows it and he could do wonders if he drops his entourage and goes humble, kinda like a Boo that we can understand.
post #78 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

I've said this before, and it may be unrealistic, but I'd like to see Tiger play very few tournaments outside of the majors, just like Ben Hogan did in the early 1950s after his accident.
post #79 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

I'll bet he does anything to avoid using a 9i.
post #80 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Originally Posted by Gioguy21 View Post
what's YOUR defense and argument then for him to fall apart other than to say, "oh he's a mess he'll never be back to his old self" ?
I certainly don't think he will be at Augusta this year. Not a chance.
I see it like this:
* he comes back any time this year = 25%
* he takes 12 months off = 25%
* he takes 18 months off = 25%
* he's done for good = 25%

But then, what does anyone know about this guy?
Everyone assumes that breaking Nicklaus's 18 Majors is the primary motivation for getting up in the morning, hitting the gym, the driving-range when you have close to $US100+ million.
But is that the case? How many times do you hear him mention the 18 Majors in interviews? Correct me if I'm horribly mistaken, but I've havent actually heard him say it.
When guys interview him about what drives him on he says stuff like "I want to get better" or "it's all about 'W's".
No mention of Jack Nicklaus. No mention of 18 Majors being the primary target.
Ever.
Am I wrong? If so, I apologize and I await quotes from Woods proving otherwise.

This brings us round to Woods current mindset - a state that one can imagine being a combination of shame, embarrassment and self-pity. This isn't just some 'affair' that he got caught out by, LOL.
And as I said before, he is quoted as saying, if he feels he cannot come back and be a better player than he has been - he will walk away. Period.

Forget the obvious difficulty he's going to have making that first public comeback - and let's not argue here - whatever spotlight was on him before, is going to be magnified 100x more.
The amount of comments and ridivule he's going to be subjected to from now on is uncalcuable.(see last year's US Open for proof of 'the galley').

This is nothing like his father dying or a knee blowing-out...not even close. Sponsors are dropping him like a bad habit...the public are looking on at him with ridicule, not sympathy.
Some of the comments made on here about "oh he'll deal with it like he does everything else before" is just hilarious.
It's almost like a) you've haven't fully realised the magnitude of what's happened, b) you're burying your heads in the sand or c) you're just dumb.
post #81 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Originally Posted by RichF View Post
Everyone assumes that breaking Nicklaus's 18 Majors is the primary motivation for getting up in the morning, hitting the gym, the driving-range when you have close to $US100+ million.

But is that the case? How many times do you hear him mention the 18 Majors in interviews? Correct me if I'm horribly mistaken, but I've havent actually heard him say it.
Although I didn't "hear" it, he was asked point blank in a Golf Digest interview last summer, "Who is the best player of all time?"

His answer was Jack Nicklaus, then he cited Jack's 18 majors. Nothing else was mentioned in defense of his opinion. I'd say that brief answer to a pointed question tells all.
post #82 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Originally Posted by RichF View Post
This is nothing like his father dying or a knee blowing-out...not even close. Sponsors are dropping him like a bad habit...the public are looking on at him with ridicule, not sympathy.
Some of the comments made on here about "oh he'll deal with it like he does everything else before" is just hilarious.
It's almost like a) you've haven't fully realised the magnitude of what's happened, b) you're burying your heads in the sand or c) you're just dumb.
Ooh boy, more of your unsubstantiated crap: obviously if anyone disagrees it must be a, b, or c.

His mental game has always been one of his strengths, IIRC you stated that yourself. That is a point in his favor, not against it as you seem to believe. In the past, he has faced adversity, distractions, etc.. In the past, his mental toughness has allowed him to surmount the obstacles and continue to be the best in the world. It follows from this that he's better equipped than many or most guys on tour (or in the world) to find his way through the current troubles and continue to be at the top of the game.

His history of success is evidence that he's more likely to succeed again than anything else. There's no way to be certain what the outcome will be (your apparent direct line to the powers above notwithstanding), but all the evidence we have suggests that he'll find a way.
post #83 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Originally Posted by zeg View Post
Ooh boy, more of your unsubstantiated crap: obviously if anyone disagrees it must be a, b, or c.

His mental game has always been one of his strengths, IIRC you stated that yourself. That is a point in his favor, not against it as you seem to believe. In the past, he has faced adversity, distractions, etc.. In the past, his mental toughness has allowed him to surmount the obstacles and continue to be the best in the world. It follows from this that he's better equipped than many or most guys on tour (or in the world) to find his way through the current troubles and continue to be at the top of the game.

His history of success is evidence that he's more likely to succeed again than anything else. There's no way to be certain what the outcome will be (your apparent direct line to the powers above notwithstanding), but all the evidence we have suggests that he'll find a way.
So which are you? A, B or C?
post #84 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Originally Posted by RichF View Post

This is nothing like his father dying or a knee blowing-out...not even close. Sponsors are dropping him like a bad habit...the public are looking on at him with ridicule, not sympathy.
Some of the comments made on here about "oh he'll deal with it like he does everything else before" is just hilarious.
It's almost like a) you've haven't fully realised the magnitude of what's happened, b) you're burying your heads in the sand or c) you're just dumb.
Or maybe it's a just bigger deal to you than it is to Tiger or anyone else. You act like rather than simply going to bed with these women that he had instead raped and tortured them. And he is no longer in a position to need sponsors. He has the money to do as he likes for the rest of his life. Why should he worry about sponsorship?

If you think that there is any chance at all, even a .001% chance that he will never return, then you are c). If you think that he isn't driven by the goal of passing Jack's records then you are b). This incident will make that goal even more important to him to help make people somewhat forget his iniquities.
post #85 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Also, if Tiger comes back, the sponsors would be all over him after some time. The worlds best golfer won't be long without sponsors when this episode is history.
post #86 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Just heard today Tiger has not signed up for the tournament so we will have to wait for his return. It has been a long time since seeing him play, and i would like to watch the number 1 again.
post #87 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Originally Posted by RichF View Post
So which are you? A, B or C?
Wow, you totally missed Zeg's sarcasm. He's saying that you unjustifiably limited the options to A, B, and C when many other possibilities exist -- for instance, that you're the one "burying your head in the sand" and "just dumb," to quote your choices B and C.
post #88 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Originally Posted by Alex B View Post
Wow, you totally missed Zeg's sarcasm. He's saying that you unjustifiably limited the options to A, B, and C when many other possibilities exist -- for instance, that you're the one "burying your head in the sand" and "just dumb," to quote your choices B and C.
Well, I sort of assumed he was being cheeky there.

I hadn't really thought about Fourputt's very good point that TW doesn't have much need fos sponsors any more. Heck, I'll bet they (and golf) need him a lot more than he needs them.
post #89 of 92
Thread Starter 

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Originally Posted by lil_drake22 View Post
Just heard today Tiger has not signed up for the tournament so we will have to wait for his return. It has been a long time since seeing him play, and i would like to watch the number 1 again.
Bummer!

I was hoping to see him action soon. I like watching golf whether he is in the field or not, but my interest certainly increases when he is in the field.
post #90 of 92

Re: Tiger Back in 2 weeks???

Myself I hope he returns soon. What he does off the course is none of our business. The media feeds on this and I think it is a shame. That being said I do not agree with what he has done. Everyone makes mistakes. Can you imagine if the tabloids printed articles on everyone who was unfaithful to their mate. How big would that magizine be. I do think this has hurt his squeaky clean image but to talk about taking away how he makes his living crazy. I hope all works out for him but lets face it. The PGA tour needs Tiger way more than he needs them.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Golf Talk
TheSandTrap.com › Golf Forum › The Clubhouse › Golf Talk › Tiger Back in 2 weeks???