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That's because you're adding price in as a third component.

For video analysis, we can all agree that you want both high framerates and an acceptable resolution. But when you add in the fact that 300 FPS costs $250 or $300 but 60 is $100, that changes things from a buying perspective.

In other words, the conversation here was primarily about which mode on a single camera to choose, not which camera to choose in general because I'm not going to tell someone how much money to spend. That's up to them. If they get the Casio, until you hit about 400 x 300 video resolution, take the framerate.

Re: evolvr is Coming - Online Swing Analysis

No, but TMO seems to have basically "terminated" that one on his own. That, or nobody's submitted any swings to him lately... I don't know. You'd have to ask him.

http://thesandtrap.com/swing_check/

That's independent of evolvr.

No, any credit card should work. I was wrong before. I thought someone (Dave?) had cleared that up? Sorry.

Nope, no software. Every camera I've seen you hook up to your computer and copy the files over. Most of the ones come with software for Windows but I wouldn't even use that if you don't need it to actually get the camera to show up on your disk. You won't want to edit the videos or otherwise do anything to them. We want the raw video right off the camera. We'll just ask that you keep the video(s) short and don't include 30 seconds of your pre-shot routine, as that will just make it longer for you to upload.

FWIW, I prefer to use a card reader, personally. Much easier way to get the files off the camera. But I have a few things which share SD cards, so my card readers are multi-use. But if you just have one thing, the cameras all come with a way to hook them up to the computer... just hold off on installing software until you know you need it. 90% of the time or more, you won't, so save yourself the clutter.

Yeah, the Kodaks are the base model. 60 FPS at their resolution is good. The Casios are better, but more costly. So the choice these days is pretty much one of those two, so far as I know.

Re: evolvr is Coming - Online Swing Analysis

BTW, here's a "sample analysis." It doesn't include the notes (those are on the sample analysis page at the site, when we launch).



As you can see, it's quite a bit better and much more in-depth than you'll find when people just say things on the forum. We use the V1 software to annotate and record a video that shows you your faults and gives you ideas on how to fix them.

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Yeah, we don't see "four times a month" as a really big limit. Quite honestly, we think most people will upload videos once every few weeks. If people are uploading videos 4x a month, we're going to have to close the service because we'll end up making like $3/hour. Or if someone uploads 52 videos on the yearly plan ($349) that's $6.70/video before any expenses at all. And given that it might take 30 minutes to do the responses... I think you see where things get hairy quickly.

But on the other hand... most videos won't be quite as long as that one. That one was longer because it's "the first one." The next one might be to fine-tune the continued improvement in hand path, and then the next one after that might be to refine wrist position at the top of the backswing, and so on. So for every "major overhaul" type thing of a part of your golf swing, there will be several "tweaky" ones where you refine something. That's not to string you along, either - it's because Dave and I really believe you should lock something in before moving on. Not perfect, but well enough that you can start to play golf with the changes you've made and to work on something else while still keeping the first thing in mind.

Frankly, $29 is a great deal even if you upload one video per month. It's the same as a box of medium quality golf balls, less than a round of golf most places, etc. We'll see, though.

Evolvr will have a "Library" and the notes section (which we obviously couldn't show you in a video) will point out drills you can do. The drills library is pretty small right now, but that's largely because it's winter out and we've not had a chance to build it up. We'll be building it up and it'll be in a constant state of growth for quite some time.

Drills won't necessarily always work, and the student (you in this example) has to take it upon himself to do some work on your own. After all, you're paying (say) $29 for one to four lessons, and even at the most expensive rate ($39) it's roughly 1/3 the cost of a full lesson with Dave, so part of that "I saved money!" is that you're working on your own. It'd be nearly impossible to give you every possible drill and know what works for you... plus the best drill is often "swing really, really slowly and do it right, then slowly build up your speed." That drill beats every other drill every time... you just can't often get people to do it. Heck, I never want to do it, but it works. We're stubborn people, us humans... :)

$349 for a year, $39/month for a "cancel at any time" plan. So six months is $234 - over a hundred bucks off the year-long plan.

We've got three price points, and one is a single lesson for $79 with no chance of incurring any recurring fees... I'm a big fan of keeping a very simple lineup of products. Three's a good number. You add a fourth and maybe a fifth and things get crowded.

Besides, improvement is a year-round process. Golfers who only play six months out of the year, many of 'em have golf domes or can make swings at golf balls somewhere. In fact, winter (in a golf dome, etc.) is often the BEST time to make big changes because you're not trying to shoot a score. Who cares if you shank three in a row in a dome, or whiff, or whatever... Y'know?

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Later today. We would have launched last week but we were in Scottsdale at a Stack and Tilt school with Mike and Andy.

The link will be made available to a few people. If you're interested in getting the link, PM me.