Projext X Strangeness...

**jhawker23** · April 24, 2010

Wow, just played some Project X Flighted 5.0's. That was the oddest feel I've experienced in an iron. I have only played DGs so I did expect something different, just not that different. I can't really say it was "bad", just so completely different. I didn't know there could be such a big discrepancy in feel among iron shafts. It actually made it feel like a new game. Not in a good or bad way.

It makes me want to try the KBS shafts but I just can't spend any more money on equipment right now. Its been a little out of control...

But, the S300s will be replacing the Project X's. First, the 5.0s aren't stiff enough and while it was interesting to experience such a different iron shot, it wasn't different enough in a good way. I don't know if this makes sense but on solid shots its as if I felt the hollowness of the shaft. It is hard to explain.

I know there has been a lot of discussion on the differences of the shafts but have others been virtually shocked by the difference in feel??

(my limited experience review of the PX's... I had some shots where I could feel the "boardiness" some experience. On solid shots it felt smooth but sort of a "thwack" vs the DGs which I would describe as a "pop". Definitely liked the lighter weight of the PXs but I also felt more vibration. I had a bit of a sting in the hands lasting after a poor shot. I wish I had the 5.5's in the irons, the stiffer shaft might have made it into the bag for awhile (intriguing) but the 5.0's are certainly too whippy. These shafts were in Callaway X-Forged heads.)

**ry1808** · April 24, 2010

I think what you maybe seeing there is the difference in flex as much as a different type of shaft. The S300 is similar to the 6.0 in the project X (well thats my understanding). The only true way to get a true understanding of the different shafts is to have two identical heads with different shafts, what irons did you have before, that may explain the different sensations you are having more so than just the pure shaft.

**Titleist_ProV1x** · April 24, 2010

like you I play the DG S300s and love them, but want to test the KBS tour model and see how that feels

**jpalermo** · April 25, 2010

I think what you maybe seeing there is the difference in flex as much as a different type of shaft. The S300 is similar to the 6.0 in the project X (well thats my understanding). The only true way to get a true understanding of the different shafts is to have two identical heads with different shafts, what irons did you have before, that may explain the different sensations you are having more so than just the pure shaft.

s300 is closer to the px 5.5

**golfro** · April 25, 2010

s300 is closer to the px 5.5

correct. 6.0 is said to be right between S300 and X100

**jhawker23** · April 25, 2010

Last year, due to an injury, I had to play the R300s so I'm no stranger to regular flex. There was just a night and day difference in the feel and reponse of the two shafts. I'm just taken back by the difference. I guess I'm a DG man. But I know I will end up trying the KBS Tours... The addiction has ahold of me.

**misty_mountainhop** · April 26, 2010

correct. 6.0 is said to be right between S300 and X100

I think they're closer to 6.0. A number of places spec the DGS300 at about 5.8 on the Rifle scale. Chalk and cheese though. I

hate the PX shafts. Nice flight etc but the feel, for me, is awful. Give me DG anytime over PX. that said, I rather like my current standard Flighted Rifle 6.0s......

***iacas*** · April 26, 2010

I think they're closer to 6.0. A number of places spec the DGS300 at about 5.8 on the Rifle scale. Chalk and cheese though.

Yeah, I've always heard 5.75... basically dead between 5.5 and 6.0. R300, 5.5, S300, 6.0, X100, 6.5

**Scots Golf** · April 26, 2010

The guy that invented KBS worked on the PX shafts. He made KBS as the PX were too hard to hit and most golfers weren't getting enough out of them. Now before every one that uses PX tells me how good they are, this not heresay, I am merely stating what he told a person well placed at Taylor Made who I was discussing this with a few months ago.

**misty_mountainhop** · April 26, 2010

The guy that invented KBS worked on the PX shafts. He made KBS as the PX were too hard to hit and most golfers weren't getting enough out of them. Now before every one that uses PX tells me how good they are, this not heresay, I am merely stating what he told a person well placed at Taylor Made who I was discussing this with a few months ago.

That would fit. I've heard from a number of decent players that you really have to hit the PXs and it helps if you have a high loading swing with a real ball-turf strike....which isn't me!

**Arrogant_Kid** · April 27, 2010

The guy that invented KBS worked on the PX shafts. He made KBS as the PX were too hard to hit and most golfers weren't getting enough out of them. Now before every one that uses PX tells me how good they are, this not heresay, I am merely stating what he told a person well placed at Taylor Made who I was discussing this with a few months ago.

Part of that statement is false. My fitter personally knows the maker of Project X and KBS. They're close friends. He said he made KBS so it'd have a smoother, softer feel. Closer to a DG. It had nothing to do with the PX Being 'hard to hit'. To me, that doesn't even make sense. How can a shaft be hard to hit?

Am I misunderstanding what you said? P.s. Thinking of switching to PX btw. I balloon the mess out of my KBS

**pbillaa** · April 27, 2010

I have px 6.0 on my idea pro gold's,,,,,,, they feel great and I get plenty out of them. All this with a 97 mph driver sp.

***iacas*** · April 27, 2010

Part of that statement is false. My fitter personally knows the maker of Project X and KBS. They're close friends. He said he made KBS so it'd have a smoother, softer feel. Closer to a DG. It had nothing to do with the PX Being 'hard to hit'. To me, that doesn't even make sense. How can a shaft be hard to hit?

I've always understood that a shaft with stepping (DG, KBS) is going to be the harsher feeling shaft. The steps amplify (or maintain better) the vibrations while a stepless shaft (like the PX) minimize them.

But I do know this: the PX shafts have a flatter, more boring trajectory than the DG and a bit less spin. Probably true relative to the KBS also.

**mjtoal** · April 27, 2010

I think they're closer to 6.0. A number of places spec the DGS300 at about 5.8 on the Rifle scale. Chalk and cheese though. I

Yes, but PX do not have the same flex as standard Rifle - PX 5.5 is stiffer than Rifle 5.5.

**Arrogant_Kid** · April 27, 2010

I've always understood that a shaft with stepping (DG, KBS) is going to be the harsher feeling shaft. The steps amplify (or maintain better) the vibrations while a stepless shaft (like the PX) minimize them.

Kbs spin rate and flight is in between PX and DG, I believe

**jhawker23** · April 28, 2010

For what it's worth, I'm coming around to the PX's. On well-struck shots I like the performance. They are still a little too flexible at a 5.0. I did install dampening inserts which really took the sting out the of fat shots.

I also have had a low ball flight for a long time so I can't speak to a lower trajectory since it appears about the same as before with the s300s, which is somewhat concerning since these are 5.0's. Going to a 5.5 may not be a good move vs. S300s. It can't hurt to try the different combos.

**WUTiger** · April 28, 2010

Hopefully you all can help me with info on the Regular end of the shaft spectrum. I dumped stiffs for regular (well, Unflex) last summer.

How do the following compare in stiffness?
* R300
* 5.0
* KBS Tour | Regular
* KBS Tour 90 | Regular
* Uniflex (this is a wild card, because U supposedly varies its flex depending on how hard you swing)

Also, I know that if you hold flex constant, a lighter weight shaft will give you more clubhead speed than a heavier shaft.

**Arrogant_Kid** · April 29, 2010

Hopefully you all can help me with info on the Regular end of the shaft spectrum. I dumped stiffs for regular (well, Unflex) last summer.

R300

Kbs Tour 90 Uniflex Kbs Tour Project X 5.0

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