Attention all slicers!!

**JaredSS** · May 23, 2010

Okay, so I've been playing about a year and have sliced my drives the whole time. I've tried several drivers, training aids, watched numerous videos and even taken lessons(whiched helped tremendously in other areas except my driving), and tried every other thing in the book.
It wasn't my grip, wasn't my ball placement, wasn't my back swing or the chicken wing, but I simply wasn't rolling my wrists over at impact.
I've posted this because it has caused me to go from a slice to a straight drive or a drive with even a slight draw. The trajectory is much better as well.
The swing was very awkward at first, but now I just simply make myself flip my wrists over at impact, like swinging a baseball bat.
This may help or may be a waste of your time, but I know its helped me and I couldn't be happier because my driving had always been my weakpoint. Let me know if this helps and good luck hittin' 'em straight!

**Shanks A Million** · May 23, 2010

No, this is a quick fix, and it does more harm than good. 99.99% of slicers come over the top, the face is already closed to the target. It's all about bringing the club down on the inside, nothing more.

One thing I don't get, why do slicers always want to hit a draw? Draws are ok, but not the best. I'd rather hit a straight shot, or maybe a slight fade. I hit a slight fade to keep the snap hook out of play.

**B-Con** · May 23, 2010

I'm a slicer most of the time, and I thought this was the solution as well. Unfortunately, I don't think it is. From what I can tell, it is preferable to let the "roll" of your club come from rotation of the shoulders. You're not supposed to roll your wrists either direction, and if you have to roll your wrists at impact then you likely rolled them during the backswing. At the top of the backswing if your clubface is parallel to the shaft swing plane then you're in a bad position and have likely cupped your wrist. I believe the toe is supposed to be pointing somewhere in front of you instead (at least, that's what it looks like for me when I follow the following video's instruction). This video has served as my model since it was posted here a couple weeks ago. It was a bit of an eye opener.

The key is definitely to swing inside-to-out and to eliminate the outside-to-in path, but how to get there is difficult for me. I've tried a few things with somewhat random success. Right now I'm focusing on dropping my right elbow first and keeping my lag a little bit longer. Only been to the range once in a couple weeks, so I'm not sure how well that will turn out.

**Titleist_ProV1x** · May 23, 2010

Watch and learn, this will fix your slice forever the right way!

**Zeph** · May 23, 2010

Attention all slicers! Stay clear of this thread, it is full of bad advice!

Don't roll your wrists, that is not the cause of your slice. It is most likely an out-to-in swing path, maybe accompanied by an open club face at impact.

**senorchipotle** · May 23, 2010

post a vid of your swing front and dtl, we should be able to tell then.

**Taggsy** · May 23, 2010

The problem with rotating your wrists through impact is that it can be wildly inconsistent.
The club head is traveling at over 100mph. Let's say just before impact (shaft parallel to ground) your club face is open to the plane line by 45 degrees (the club head would be roughly pointing skywards). From this position, you'd need to rotate your wrists by exactly 45 degrees anti-clockwise in a fraction of a second to hit the ball square.
Not only this, but the speed of your wrist rotation needs to correlate exactly with the speed of the swing (faster swing, quicker rotation through impact).
The ball position will play a larger part in flight accuracy also- let's say you've performed a perfect swing and managed to exactly rotate your wrists back to square at impact.... but unknown to you the ball is half an inch back than where you usually play it- you've just faded / sliced the ball thanks to half an inch.

It's much better to get the club face square to the plane line as soon as possible on the downswing, and then just maintain that position through impact and beyond.
You wouldn't putt by rotating your wrists through impact, and you shouldn't do the same with a driver!

As a fan of Ritter and Hardy's One-Plane teaching, I've also found the baseball bat analogy useful- but it's an awful comparison at impact.
Here's why; a baseball bat is the same all the way around, there is no straight face to it. You can hit a ball with a bat with your wrists in any position you like, and so long as you've swung on plane, and the ball has struck the centre of the bat, the ball will go out great.
The golf club needs to be struck with the swing on plane, with the centre of the club face and with the club face square to the target.

All that said, if it's working for you then great- but you're adding another variable to your swing that's hard to control and will let you down when you need it most (just like my missus ;) lol)

**mattttt25** · May 23, 2010

There is nothing wrong with the OP using this to correct his slice, its just a swing thought. He is most likely not rotating his wrists much more than before. Sitting here right now, if I think about rotating my wrists through impact, pretty certain it would be harder to do coming from over the top. This swing thought it probably helping the OP not come over the top.

***iacas*** · May 23, 2010

There is nothing wrong with the OP using this to correct his slice, its just a swing thought. He is most likely not rotating his wrists much more than before. Sitting here right now, if I think about rotating my wrists through impact, pretty certain it would be harder to do coming from over the top. This swing thought it probably helping the OP not come over the top.

Sorry, but releasing the club decreases loft and throws the club out over the top. Here's a video that demonstrates it, too.

**chilly** · May 23, 2010

I agree, when I "try" to release the club, I'm prone to hood the club down and hit a pull/hook screamer. Did it yesterday and I think I topped it 50yds.

**JaredSS** · May 23, 2010

Okay, so you guys are very critical of any advice that might be helpful to someone. I've always slice and tried everything and this works for ME! If it doesn't work for you, or if you're already hitting the ball perfect(as most of you seem to be) then don't worry about it. But if it someone who is slicing and they want to try this, what does it hurt? If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work, but if it does, then they may enjoy driving the ball more than they used to, like I now do. I'm NOT coming over the top, my problem was getting the club face closed, obviously if I was coming over the top the ball would go screaming way left. I'm also not flipping them over to the point most of you think I am.
Anyways, I was just trying to help some fellow slicers out that have tried EVERYTHING like I have. I guess I'll think twice about offering advice from now on. This is a forum though where people put their opinions and thoughts and people pick and choose what they want to listen to and what they want to discard. If you have watched any golf instructionals for anytime you would have realized there is no perfect golf swing!! Thanks, and I'm now stepping off my soap box!

***iacas*** · May 23, 2010

Okay, so you guys are very critical of any advice that might be helpful to someone. I've always slice and tried everything and this works for ME!

As people said, it reeks of "quick fix." I'd be surprised if this was still working for you in a month. Or less time.

But if it someone who is slicing and they want to try this, what does it hurt?

It's bad information, it's a quick fix that won't lead to any lasting improvement, it's a band-aid...

I'm NOT coming over the top, my problem was getting the club face closed, obviously if I was coming over the top the ball would go screaming way left.

Hold on now, no. Over the top doesn't guarantee that the ball goes "screaming way left" AT ALL, no "obviously" about it. See, you've already got bad information, and now you're piling more bad information on top of it. The people who come over the top rarely hit "screamers way left."

If you have watched any golf instructionals for anytime you would have realized there is no perfect golf swing!! Thanks, and I'm now stepping off my soap box!

There aren't, but there are bad bits of information, and "roll your wrists to square the clubface" is often one of them.

**Shanks A Million** · May 23, 2010

Okay, so you guys are very critical of any advice that might be helpful to someone. I've always slice and tried everything and this works for ME! If it doesn't work for you, or if you're already hitting the ball perfect(as most of you seem to be) then don't worry about it. But if it someone who is slicing and they want to try this, what does it hurt? If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work, but if it does, then they may enjoy driving the ball more than they used to, like I now do. I'm NOT coming over the top, my problem was getting the club face closed, obviously if I was coming over the top the ball would go screaming way left. I'm also not flipping them over to the point most of you think I am.

As iacas said, you've got a whole barrel of bull you've been fed there. Every swing is different, and no swing is perfect, but barring physical limitations, all good swings have certain elements in common. If you're slicing, you're almost assuredly coming across the ball. If the ball starts straight, slightly right, or left, it's a slice. If you're just failing to close the face, the ball will take off well right and continue to curve.

The reason you've tried "everything" and none of it has worked is because you lack the discipline to truly change your swing. I've seen countless slicers try countless tips, but never quite find the one that works. It's because people refuse to make a swing change large enough to cause them to badly misshit the ball. When you've made the right change, you will not be able to hit a golf ball for days. You'll hit shanks, skulls, duffs, and all matter of severe mishits, because the right way to swing the club is unfamiliar. At this point, they give up and revert. I have a rule, when making a major swing change, don't expect to solidly hit a ball for about two days. The problem with this quick fix is that it adds timing elements into the swing, which will really hurt you later. The best swings are the ones with the least things to coordinate, like Moe Norman's swing, which was about as simple as a seesaw. I'd rather slice the ball with a simple swing than hit a straight ball with a complicated one. In fact, I'd rather slice the ball than hook it. The object of golf is not now, and never has been, to hit draws. You want to hit it consistently, no matter what shot shape, barring extreme curves. Draws are just less natural, so slicers automatically think they're cool. Those of us who have lost half of our drives OB with a case of the snap hooks, well, we know better. So, listen to the players who have been there. When you see someone with a low handicap, they've put in the time to learn, and knowledge is often their best asset. Iacas knows what he's talking about, cause he's put in the time. That's the hard part, the putting in the time, and having the discipline. I go to the range every day, and see countless people hammering away at balls like apes, never improving, and never changing. Don't be one of them, eat a humble pie and learn.

**JaredSS** · May 23, 2010

Okay, this is going to be my last post on this thread because I believe my wording may have been confusing. When I said "Flip," I believe I should have said rotate. What I was doing before I guess was the chicken wing thing. After watching several videos of golfers in slo-mo on youtube, I've discovered what I called a "wrist flip" was actually just releasing the club and rotating the wrists properly, thus causing me to hit the ball straight and sometimes even a slight draw. And the reason I think the draw is so cool is because I could never hit it before and for someone who always is hitting out the right rough, it was a pleasant experience to be in the fairway without having to aim 100 yards left.
So I apologize to you all for the confusion and what could have been interpreted as "bad advice." So Slicers, just don't do the dang chicken wing okay, that's all I had to do was properly release the club. I didn't realize I was doing this so bad and for so long, but I was.
Its working right now for me, and what I've learned in golf is that nothing is exactly the same everytime. I did however shot a 4 over 76 Friday afternoon with this new swing, so it was working Friday and I will find out again tomorrow.

Once again, I'm sorry for the confusion. To Iacas: You have probably forgotten more about golf than I know, so I wasn't trying to argue with you, just didn't understand the intense criticism and reaction to what I thought was a basic golf principle of releasing the club.
I'm signing off now, good night...

**Vance87** · May 24, 2010

I actually figured out a way to help me get my wrists through impact better. As I set up to address, I try and place the hosel of the club over the ball. At this point, in order to settle the club down to the ground behind the ball, I point my wrists down. Before, I would just lower my shoulders to reach it, or I'd be too close. I have discovered that Tiger Woods (at least, the older swing) used this, as well as Ben Hogan, and Fred Couples, to an extent. Videos:

Tiger Woods @ 2000 British Open Day 2

Watch at :21, :43, and 1:50.

Fred Couples

See how his wrists are pointed down at :10

I dunno. Just something that helped me alot. And keeping my head down. Jesus, that helps.

**Shanks A Million** · May 24, 2010

Okay, this is going to be my last post on this thread because I believe my wording may have been confusing. When I said "Flip," I believe I should have said rotate. What I was doing before I guess was the chicken wing thing. After watching several videos of golfers in slo-mo on youtube, I've discovered what I called a "wrist flip" was actually just releasing the club and rotating the wrists properly, thus causing me to hit the ball straight and sometimes even a slight draw. And the reason I think the draw is so cool is because I could never hit it before and for someone who always is hitting out the right rough, it was a pleasant experience to be in the fairway without having to aim 100 yards left.

Rotating

is bad advice. REALLY bad. We know what you meant, which is why we're so adamently telling people it's bad advice. The rolling of the wrists through the swing is an absolute killer. It's the best way to get a handsy, impossible to time swing. What you're doing is putting a bandaid on a broken leg. The only way to cure a slice is to learn to swing inside out. Because it's so difficult to make an unnatural move, most people simply will never quit slicing. The fact of the matter is, there is no silver bullet, no quick fix. It requires real hard work and dedication to overcome it. All of us who did overcome it did so by learning to overcome the urge to swing down at the ball, and instead swing out and through it.

**golfaddiction** · May 24, 2010

I just watched A.J. Reveals the Truth About Golf (the informercial that comes on all the time on the golf channel), and the premise of the video is that golfers *need* to rotate their wrists properly if they are ever going to achieve consistency in the golf swing. Taking the hands and wrists out of the golf shot means you're taking your most precise and easily trainable muscles out of the shot. Your fingers and hands don't move in relation to the clubface throughout the shot, so learning to use your hands as an extension of the club itself demystifies the game and makes hitting the ball a lot more natural.

So in general, I'd say OP's advice is sound, but different strokes for different folks.

**Shanks A Million** · May 24, 2010

I just watched A.J. Reveals the Truth About Golf (the informercial that comes on all the time on the golf channel), and the premise of the video is that golfers *need* to rotate their wrists properly if they are ever going to achieve consistency in the golf swing. Taking the hands and wrists out of the golf shot means you're taking your most precise and easily trainable muscles out of the shot. Your fingers and hands don't move in relation to the clubface throughout the shot, so learning to use your hands as an extension of the club itself demystifies the game and makes hitting the ball a lot more natural.

AJ's truth about golf has been discussed

here . There were a lot of interesting comments, but the best, and most to the point one was this:

Don't waste your money.

Although this gem was also good:

It took me a couple of weeks to recover my swing from that crap. Beware...

Here are some others:

The Truth about Aj is that he doesn't know any more about golf than you do, He just knows how to sell dvd's on TV better than you, that's the secret, lol

You will never play consistantly good golf by manipulating your wrists through the swing.

That's not really sound. There's very little power to be had in rotating the clubface as if it's a "little bat."

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