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cigarsmoke23 Established Member

cigarsmoke23

Anyone got advice on maintaining the wrist to shaft angle on the down swing?

I have about a 103-105 mph ss, but noticed on video that i have a lot of trouble maintaining that angle to help get even more club head speed.

any good exercises?

Thanks,

Josh

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Tomboys Dedicated Member

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Grip the shaft of your club @10" or so from the head. Swing the club so that the butt of the club doesn't slap against the side of your body through the downswing.

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cigarsmoke23 Established Member

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thanks! will give that a shot after work

Driver: Ping G15 |9*| UST Mamiya Proforce AXIVCore Tour Red 69 stiff shaft
Wood: Callaway Big Bertha Diable Neutral |15*| stiff stock shaft
Hybrid: Nickent 3DX DC |19*, 23*| UST Proforce V2 stiff shaft
Irons: Adams Idea Pro Forged Stiff |5-PW| True Temper Black Gold stiff shaft
Wedges: Nike SV...

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Try hitting knockdown punch shots with a short iron, trying to keep the ball low, don't follow through to a complete finish, but only till both arms are straight. Check if you've maintained the flying wedge (bent right wrist, flat left wrist).

Also try presetting impact positions (hips forward, weight forward etc.) and making short swings, also with an abbreviated finish. I'm sure I noticed a video somewhere around here.

However, losing the wrist angle is probably a compensation caused by something happening earlier during the swing.
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What about the Swingyde? I just got one a couple days ago. Seems to work pretty good for me. It's helping my kids get a better feel for a better swing.

Not affiliated with them btw.
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Try hitting knockdown punch shots with a short iron, trying to keep the ball low, don't follow through to a complete finish, but only till both arms are straight. Check if you've maintained the flying wedge (bent right wrist, flat left wrist).

+1. You can try the suggestioned drills. However, if you don't see an immediate improvement, don't waste your time beating thousands of balls at the range trying to figure it out. Go see a teaching pro and have him (or her) identify what the cause is for you. From there, you can get some specific drills that are best suited for your particular needs. In my case, the loss of wrist angle on the downswing was caused by horrible rhythm lately. So, I got an instructor and we've been working mainly on maintaining a rhythmic swing on each shot. The improvements have been immediate even after just one lesson. Good luck.

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RETAINING the angle is a myth. If your into video take your driver and hit the crap out of an impact bag or something.There is your angle. Good luck dude. GDIB
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http://thesandtrap.com/forum/threads...-Training-Club

Check out this thread!

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4 wood-Infiniti 17*-UST IROD A shaft-Hard stepped(2009 model)
Hybrids 19* & 24*-Trident DSW-UST IROD Hybrid A shaft-hard stepped (2009 model)
Irons-5-PW- Wilson Staff Progressive Forged-TT Release  sensicore( 5&6-Soft stepped R-7,8&9-R-wedge hard stepped R
Wedges-52*-Wilson JP BeCE(54* bent to 52*)-TT-Release sensicore-hard stepped R

              56*Wilson R-61 BECU Sandy Andy- Release sensicore tipped same as 8 iron

               60* Wilson Harmonized BECU-Release sensicore tipped same as 8 iron

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The whole premise behind this Training-Club is to get golfers to make impact with the top part of the club (shaft) leaning towards the target. All good golfers have this in common when hitting their irons. Lesser golfer (like me) have a tendency at impact to have the shaft perpendicular or worse, leaning backwards.

While the Training-Club can help get golfers to lead with their hands at impact, I feel the same can be achieved by practicing low-flying punch shots with your regular clubs in conjunction to what I previously suggested. In order to hit a low-flying punch shot, you have to have the shaft leaning towards the target at impact which de-lofts the club you are using. This lowers the launch angle of the ball resulting in a lower ball flight. OP wants to increase his club-head speed. I'm going to make a supposition here, but I think he just wants to hit it farther. Unfortunately, just relying on club head speed to determine how far you can hit a ball can be misleading. The problem here is that the quality of your contact (hitting the sweetspot, etc) also play a huge role in the overall distance you acheive for any given club. Also, as I said earlier, hitting your irons with the shaft leaning towards the target de-lofts them. So, say both player A & B have the same swing speed, same 35* 7I and hit the ball on the sweetspot. The only difference is that player A makes impact with the shaft perpendicular to the ground. At impact, player A has 35* of loft and he hits the ball 150 yards. In contrast, player B hits the ball with the shaft leaning towards the target and his ball goes 160 yards. The difference is that at impact, player B de-lofts his clubs to say 32* which is closer to the loft on his 6I. Hence, the ball flew farther.

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The whole premise behind this Training-Club is to get golfers to make impact with the top part of the club (shaft) leaning towards the target. All good golfers have this in common when hitting their irons. Lesser golfer (like me) have a tendency at impact to have the shaft perpendicular or worse, leaning backwards.

What else does a forward leaning club shaft at impact do besides de loft and add distance? Easier to hit down on the ball with a forward leaning club shaft? I know that this is something golfers should strive for I just don't know why.

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What about the Swingyde? I just got one a couple days ago. Seems to work pretty good for me. It's helping my kids get a better feel for a better swing.

Where did u buy it? I saw some guy in Australia using it and another guy said he bought it on ebay but it came from Korea....Did u buy on line or in a store?

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Anyone got advice on maintaining the wrist to shaft angle on the down swing?

Get a plastic book binding comb. Slip your left thumb through the last 3-4 rings from the inside out, so most of the length of the comb is behind your thumb heading towards your forearm. Adjust the comb so that when your left wrist if fully (and correctly) cocked the tip of the comb touches the middle of your forearm. At the top of your backswing, you'll feel the comb touch your forearm in the correct spot, and you'll know your left wrist if fully and correctly cocked. On the downswing, as long as you feel the comb touching your forearm in the correct spot you'll know you are maintaining your wrist cock for a late release. It looks really dumb and I've never seen anyone else do it, it's cheap, simple, and effective.

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cigarsmoke23 Established Member

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will definitely give that a shot at my work desk. lol. thanks!

Driver: Ping G15 |9*| UST Mamiya Proforce AXIVCore Tour Red 69 stiff shaft
Wood: Callaway Big Bertha Diable Neutral |15*| stiff stock shaft
Hybrid: Nickent 3DX DC |19*, 23*| UST Proforce V2 stiff shaft
Irons: Adams Idea Pro Forged Stiff |5-PW| True Temper Black Gold stiff shaft
Wedges: Nike SV...

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Swing back and through with your chest and not your arms...the wrists should take care of themselves..
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Tomboys Dedicated Member

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What else does a forward leaning club shaft at impact do besides de loft and add distance? Easier to hit down on the ball with a forward leaning club shaft? I know that this is something golfers should strive for I just don't know why.

Distance--as mentioned earlier, and control. If the weather was sunny, warm with no wind every time you played golf, then hitting a high ball wouldn't be such a bad thing. Unfortunately, mother nature doesn't aways cooperate. Hitting a high ball in the wind makes hitting targets very difficult because the ball can fly long, short, left or right.

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What else does a forward leaning club shaft at impact do besides de loft and add distance? Easier to hit down on the ball with a forward leaning club shaft? I know that this is something golfers should strive for I just don't know why.

The forward leang clubshaft allows more compression of the ball than a perpendicular shaft. More ball speed and spin, more consistency.

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Distance--as mentioned earlier, and control. If the weather was sunny, warm with no wind every time you played golf, then hitting a high ball wouldn't be such a bad thing. Unfortunately, mother nature doesn't aways cooperate. Hitting a high ball in the wind makes hitting targets very difficult because the ball can fly long, short, left or right.

Sort of. The real reason is a bit more tricky. The first, and most basic reason is that the ball sits on the ground. If the ball didn't sit on the ground, it wouldn't be a problem. You can hit up on a ball on a tee, but not one on the ground. The amount of precision it would take to be able to get the exact swing bottom right at or behind the ball, then to be able to be just the right distance away from it would be inhuman. It's easier to lean the shaft forward, and hit down.

The second reason is a little more complicated. To be consistent, you need to have as much room for error as possible. To do this, you need as much space as possible to hit the ball in. The club must be able to move along the ground for a long period of time, and the ball, whether 6" too far forward, or 6" too far back, will still be struck. To do this, you need to have a long flat spot at the bottom of the arc. So, to do that, you need to unhinge the club as your hands move forward and up. The hands move up, and the club goes down. Combined, they cancel eachother out, and the club moves fairly flat along the ground during this period. This flat spot is common throughout all great ballstrikers. The "release" of the swing, or when the club crosses the hands, should be well after impact, when the hands are about belt high or higher.
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Where did u buy it? I saw some guy in Australia using it and another guy said he bought it on ebay but it came from Korea....Did u buy on line or in a store?

http://www.amazon.com/Swingyde-Golf-.../dp/B000OZI256

Wishon  715 CLC-AXE5 A shaft -hard steppedt -44.5"
4 wood-Infiniti 17*-UST IROD A shaft-Hard stepped(2009 model)
Hybrids 19* & 24*-Trident DSW-UST IROD Hybrid A shaft-hard stepped (2009 model)
Irons-5-PW- Wilson Staff Progressive Forged-TT Release  sensicore( 5&6-Soft stepped R-7,8&9-R-wedge hard stepped R
Wedges-52*-Wilson JP BeCE(54* bent to 52*)-TT-Release sensicore-hard stepped R

              56*Wilson R-61 BECU Sandy Andy- Release sensicore tipped same as 8 iron

               60* Wilson Harmonized BECU-Release sensicore tipped same as 8 iron

Woods- Star Grips  Irons Energy Grips

:Putter-Rife IBF with Ping Blackout Grip-35"

Ball-Wilson Staff Zip Golf. or C-25

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