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post #127 of 211
6/4/10 at 8:11am

Re: Clones broke!!

Originally Posted by Kingfisher View Post
I did say the rip-off pings are a sack of S**t and that Scotty Cameron putters are a superior product to anything that comes out of Dynacraft's womb.
Total BS. My Dynacraft putter was purchased used for $3 becuase the person who had it had no idea what it was, and thought it was worthless. It's every bit as good as any Scotty Cameron putter. Scotty Cameron putters are the exact same as any other OEM putter, and the idea they're much higher end is absolutely bogus.

Besides, I can make more putts with my Lynx any day of the week. Give me a croquet mallet, and I'll still putt the same. A putter is a putter. Owning a Scotty won't make you putt like Tiger Woods.
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post #128 of 211
6/4/10 at 11:07am

Re: Clones broke!!

A very interesting thread...
Do you really believe the manufacturers of the "clone" or knock off clubs use the same materials and manufacturing procces's as the OEM, do you really think they will have the same quality control over the product- have xray facilities to check each weld on a titanium headed driver or microscopic analysis of the steel used in their cast 5 iron- you reckon "pong" do that- come on!!!- these process's are done to produce a quality product, which in turn have a price- the clones do not - resulting in a cheaper price.
I respect anyone's decision to use them and probably have good results with them, but to infer they are the same quality is clearly incorrect and to use the OEM reputation to sell a product is dishonest!!!
Shanks- your Dynacraft putter may well be awesome and obviously works for you, unless it is milled from one piece carbon steel or stainless steel, it's not the same as a Scotty Cameron or many other OEMs who manufacture their putters this way. One piece milling is complex and time comsuming(I should know I am a putter maker). Cast putters and cast that are skim milled are less so, resulting in a lower price.
The putter is the most individual club in the bag- what feels good to one- might not feel good to another- so to you the Dynacraft is as good as a Scotty, but to others it is not.......

Kari
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post #129 of 211
6/4/10 at 1:00pm

Re: Clones broke!!

Originally Posted by Didge1264 View Post
Shanks- your Dynacraft putter may well be awesome and obviously works for you, unless it is milled from one piece carbon steel or stainless steel, it's not the same as a Scotty Cameron or many other OEMs who manufacture their putters this way. One piece milling is complex and time comsuming(I should know I am a putter maker). Cast putters and cast that are skim milled are less so, resulting in a lower price.

Kari
Thanks! After Shanks reply, I didn't even want to get into what makes a putter like a SC different from the perspective of materials, manufacturing, machining time and the like. It would be an obvious waste of time.
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post #130 of 211
6/4/10 at 1:31pm

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I have nothing constructive, insightful, or discerning to add to this thread other then the majority of if is an absolute train wreck. It's kind of like watching my kids argue over pizza toppings. At least it is semi-entertaining….carry on.

BTW….name calling on an internet forum, weak.
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post #131 of 211
6/4/10 at 1:57pm
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Holy crap!!! I know I started this, but I can't even take the time to read all the posts!!
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post #132 of 211
6/4/10 at 2:10pm

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Originally Posted by Jtjohns View Post
Holy crap!!! I know I started this, but I can't even take the time to read all the posts!!
Just take a gander at all the cool pictures
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post #133 of 211
6/4/10 at 2:48pm

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Keep it going lads I think this is a very entertaining thread.........!
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post #134 of 211
6/4/10 at 3:16pm

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Originally Posted by Shanks A Million View Post
Total BS. My Dynacraft putter was purchased used for $3 becuase the person who had it had no idea what it was, and thought it was worthless. It's every bit as good as any Scotty Cameron putter. Scotty Cameron putters are the exact same as any other OEM putter, and the idea they're much higher end is absolutely bogus.

Besides, I can make more putts with my Lynx any day of the week. Give me a croquet mallet, and I'll still putt the same. A putter is a putter. Owning a Scotty won't make you putt like Tiger Woods.
So, it could be said that a quality used OEM putter is as good, if not better in the hands of someone who know what they're doing, than an over-priced high end OEM putter? What would that say about a knock off of the overpriced high end putter?
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post #135 of 211
6/4/10 at 3:39pm

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Originally Posted by sean_miller View Post
So, it could be said that a quality used OEM putter is as good, if not better in the hands of someone who know what they're doing, than an over-priced high end OEM putter? What would that say about a knock off of the overpriced high end putter?
Check mate.
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post #136 of 211
6/4/10 at 3:57pm

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this thread is full of win.
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post #137 of 211
6/4/10 at 4:03pm

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Originally Posted by colin007 View Post
this thread is full of win.
Is that internet speak? Should we be offended or something?
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post #138 of 211
6/4/10 at 4:20pm

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Originally Posted by Jtjohns View Post
Shooting low 90's now.... I'll be there by the end of the summer. Practice is key.... I bet Phil or Tiger could use my irons and still shoot under par. So the clubs aren't the issue buddy.
On a silly note, I'd love to see Phil go under par with your irons. Under par, playing cack-handed. I know he's talented but come on? :)



This thread is good for a chuckle. The assumption that if clubs come from an OEM that they must, a priori, be wonderful is, quite frankly cobblers. So much OEM stuff is made in China (Ping excepted?) that it's laughable. While I'm sure many Chinese production lines are as good as anything in the West I'm not sure they all are and if the workers making them are paid peanuts, well, I'm not sure that's a driver for high quality. That's also leaving aside that you actually trust the OEMs not to, basically, spin you a yarn about how great their stuff is.

As several have said, there are few truly innovative designs out there and the OEMs just clone each other's stuff.

There also seems to be a willful(?) ignoring of the fact that no-one here (as far as I can see) is trying to bat for the proper fakes. Clones are a different kettle of fish. I can't see the problem; if you actually think a Pong P10G (or whatever) is a Ping G10....more fool you. The worst you could say for the cloners is they're being lazy; hardly a crime.

If there are patent infringements then that's another issue but it's hardly something the OEMs are above board with now is it? Can I hear you say ProV1?

As an aside, how many buy generic drugs as soon as they're available? Feel guilty? Don't mind paying money to someone who's "taking a ride on another's goodwill"?
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post #139 of 211
6/4/10 at 4:25pm

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Originally Posted by misty_mountainhop View Post
On a silly note, I'd love to see Phil go under par with your irons. Under par, playing cack-handed. I know he's talented but come on? :)



This thread is good for a chuckle. The assumption that if clubs come from an OEM that they must, a priori, be wonderful is, quite frankly cobblers. So much OEM stuff is made in China (Ping excepted?) that it's laughable. While I'm sure many Chinese production lines are as good as anything in the West I'm not sure they all are and if the workers making them are paid peanuts, well, I'm not sure that's a driver for high quality. That's also leaving aside that you actually trust the OEMs not to, basically, spin you a yarn about how great their stuff is.

As several have said, there are few truly innovative designs out there and the OEMs just clone each other's stuff.

There also seems to be a willful(?) ignoring of the fact that no-one here (as far as I can see) is trying to bat for the proper fakes. Clones are a different kettle of fish. I can't see the problem; if you actually think a Pong P10G (or whatever) is a Ping G10....more fool you. The worst you could say for the cloners is they're being lazy; hardly a crime.

If there are patent infringements then that's another issue but it's hardly something the OEMs are above board with now is it? Can I hear you say ProV1?

As an aside, how many buy generic drugs as soon as they're available? Feel guilty? Don't mind paying money to someone who's "taking a ride on another's goodwill"?
Pings are now cast in China as well.
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post #140 of 211
6/4/10 at 6:43pm

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I gotta say, as long as there's official branding on the clone, it's fine. Counterfeit is one thing, but clones are quite another. While the GigaGolf clubs are clearly made to look similar to various major manufacturer clubs, they're not attempting to deceive the buyer. No one reasonable would think they were buying a Callaway or TaylorMade and end up with the clone instead. Some people are interested in appearances on the course, and might want to have clubs that, from a distance, look like big name clubs. There's no trademark or goodwill problem with filling that niche, imo.

Personally, I'd buy older used clubs as has been suggested here, since I believe that the quality control is better since most of the big guys are interested in maintaining their reputation. I think it's silly to opt for a clone instead, but I don't have any problem with people who feel differently. I certainly don't see there as being an ethical issue.
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post #141 of 211
6/4/10 at 8:42pm
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Just for kicks, these are the clubs "clones" that are being referred to.
http://www.diamondtour.com/z-force-z...ub-p-2245.html

But, I found a heck of a deal on G10s so I think I'm getting them in the next day or so.
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post #142 of 211
6/4/10 at 9:49pm

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Originally Posted by Jtjohns View Post
Just for kicks, these are the clubs "clones" that are being referred to.
http://www.diamondtour.com/z-force-z...ub-p-2245.html

But, I found a heck of a deal on G10s so I think I'm getting them in the next day or so.
Nobody would ever mistake that for a genuine P10G.
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post #143 of 211
6/4/10 at 9:51pm

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Originally Posted by sean_miller View Post
Nobody would ever mistake that for a genuine P10G.
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post #144 of 211
6/4/10 at 9:56pm

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I wanted to stay neutral on the whole "clone" debate, however after looking at this website:

http://www.diamondtour.com/Golf-Comp...20.html?page=1

Two obvious Callaway "rip-offs", two obvious Nike "rip-offs" an obvious Ping "rip-off" and an obvious Taylor Made "rip-off" (The Turner T9). What an f***ing joke. Like I said, wanted to stay neutral, but I can't.
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