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My Swing (shortstop20)

post #1 of 57
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First off, I'll come right out and say it, I need a swing exorcism.

Started off the year shanking the ball here and there and now I can't hardly get anything more than a 9 iron off the ground. EVERYTHING is impacting on the extreme heel, right next to the hosel, and many times, it seems like my clubface is wide open at impact.

I picked up this game pretty easily 2 years ago, never had anywhere near the problems that I'm having now. I'm pretty much a self taught player. After these problems started, I took my first two lessons ever from a guy at the course about 30 miles away. He's not a PGA Pro or anything like that, but choices are rather limited here. He has me working on much less wrist hinge going back and less active hips(less open at impact). He also has me hitting punch shots to groove this feeling. I can hit those punch shots fairly good, but I still shank some of those too. Full shots are a disaster 80-90% of the time, I either hit them off the heel and hit a high, weak fade, or I shank them dead right really low. I know I don't flip, never have been a flipper. On the punch shots, I hit more of them in the center with a straight to drawing ball flight, but I still hit some of them with the same flight and curve as my full shots.

I know that I overswing a bit, have too much wrist cock and could use some more shoulder turn, but I'm athletic enough to where I should be able to at least get the darn ball off the ground even with these imperfections. Once I get to the point where I can actually hit the ball decent again, I want to start working on those things.

To me, it feels like I have either a setup issue, or balance problems during the swing. I've expressed these concerns to him, but he seems confident that he's on the right path, but I am not. I had 2 range sessions after our first lesson, then I had another lesson, and I've had two more range sessions since then. Each range session has consisted of 4 to 6 buckets of 35-40 balls, and it is meaningful practice, not just out there beating balls aimlessly. I am honestly not hitting the ball any better.

I will note, I did change my setup over the winter, mostly just standing a little taller to the ball. The third video is my OLD swing. , from almost a year ago. I'm only posting it for comparisons' sake, so you can see the setup changes I made. Sorry, I have no face on view of the old swing. My ball flight at that time was about a 20 yard hook. Hitting a push draw or a hook in the center of the face, with ball first contact, has NEVER been a problem until this year. I don't think I could hook the ball to save my life right now.

Here's my videos and some stills of my downswing. Any thoughts appreciated.



 
 
 
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Old swing below.

I NEVER shanked with this swing.



 
 
 
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See below for downswing sequence pics.

The 2nd and 3rd frames worry me.
LL

post #2 of 57

Re: My swing (shortstop20)

A major difference I noticed is that your body dips a lot towards the ground on the first video, but you do a good job maintaining your inclination to the ground on the third video. You also look like you are losing your angles early and casting a bit (hands look behind ball at impact based on the pics). But take what I say with a grain of salt, and hopefully someone else posts to agree/disagree.
post #3 of 57

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Looks like you lose your plane half way up and bob your head down to get back on plane
but it still looks like you're coming from way outside
Your feet are wayyy too clsoe together and you might be a tad close to the ball.

You dont sway back which is good.
It looks like you start by taking it outside, then drop your whole body to get it back in plane
I dunno i need the lines!!!
post #4 of 57
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Here's an impact photo, just prior to impact actually.

I put a black circle where the ball is because it's hard to see.
LL
post #5 of 57
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Re: My swing (shortstop20)

Originally Posted by JML22 View Post
Looks like you lose your plane half way up and bob your head down to get back on plane
but it still looks like you're coming from way outside
Your feet are wayyy too clsoe together and you might be a tad close to the ball.

You dont sway back which is good.
It looks like you start by taking it outside, then drop your whole body to get it back in plane
I dunno i need the lines!!!
Here ya go. Analyze to your heart's desire.

http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=6706

I just put some lines on it myself and it looks like my plane needs some work, at impact my hands are below the line set at address, but the end of the shaft(near the head) is outside of it.

With the shaft sitting low(flat) like that at impact, and with the head dipping(crunching the body up) that would make a person quite susceptible to shanks and heel shots, wouldn't it?
post #6 of 57

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Yes... I'm quite familiar with the head dipping myself :)
post #7 of 57

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You're leading your takeway with your arms... you want to lead with your arm

Personally i think youre standing too close to the ball leading you to come inside on the way down overcompensating for the outside takeaway.
Could be camera angle but usually you want to visbility beable to see your left arm above your arm on the follow through but you cant at any point.
All these reasons will cause you to shank because you get stuck on the way down.
Basically since you lead your take away with your wrists/arms, to get back you either have to flip them or you shank. You dont want to flip, when i went through this my lesson guy gave me some drills, ill get the link again tommorow
post #8 of 57
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Originally Posted by JML22 View Post
You're leading your takeway with your arms... you want to lead with your arm

Personally i think youre standing too close to the ball leading you to come inside on the way down overcompensating for the outside takeaway.
Could be camera angle but usually you want to visbility beable to see your left arm above your arm on the follow through but you cant at any point.
All these reasons will cause you to shank because you get stuck on the way down.
Basically since you lead your take away with your wrists/arms, to get back you either have to flip them or you shank. You dont want to flip, when i went through this my lesson guy gave me some drills, ill get the link again tommorow
What do you mean "You're leading the takeaway with your arms, you want to lead with your arm."?????????

Do I need to get rid of the outside takeaway in order to get rid of the laid off position? It seems that style takeaway in itself leads to a laid-off position. If you think about it, a takeaway that points outside the target line at the beginning of the backswing should point well inside(not parallel) to the target line at the top of the backswing. Just as a inside takeaway(like many newbies do), leads to an across the line position.

But if I do get rid of that outside takeaway, how do I keep the clubhead from getting inside my hands on the takeaway? Would I just have to bring the club more vertical after initially taking it back along the plane?
post #9 of 57

Re: My swing (shortstop20)

haha man its hard to explain online
I had the same thing
It looks like you're starting your take away with your wrists i meant, and thats ••••ing it up right away
post #10 of 57
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Originally Posted by JML22 View Post
haha man its hard to explain online
I had the same thing
It looks like you're starting your take away with your wrists i meant, and thats ••••ing it up right away
Yeah, I would agree with that. I don't know how my swing got so FUBAR over the winter. I guess that happens when there's 6 foot snow drifts outside from Christmas until April though.
post #11 of 57

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Swinging inside wil do it, stupid chipping into a bucket inside my house
thats what happened to me
Anyways, your setup needs some work, feet wider apart, a tad farther away,
You gotta get rid of that wrist break, Everyone describes the wrists in the swing weirdly but shouldnt feel like a drastic break at all, its just the natural motion of the rotation that makes it LOOK like the pros are snapping it.
So basically you want the ball foward in your stance a bit, hands forward, dont lock your wrists but you want to turn at the torso/hips keeping your head still and DO NOT SWAY BACK, you can sway forward but dont slay backwards.
Ill find the video, it explains it perfectly
post #12 of 57
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Re: My swing (shortstop20)

How much wider should I make my stance, about one foot's width?

Yeah, I know that wrist break is hurting my swing alot.

I dont' sway backwards at all, so no worries there. I actually move forward at the end of the backswing and during the downswing.

You think I need the ball further forward? It's about a ball forward of center with a 5 iron.
post #13 of 57

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The main problem on the backswing is you come off plane at the start and then get too flat at the top. On the downswing you don't maintain your posture and the hands have little room as they are right against your body. There is some major casting going on there too mid way through the downswing. Hands might be behind the ball at impact.

These problems could be to do with your grip, proximity to the ball at address, left arm breaking down a touch, shoulders too flat on backswing, ducking into the ball, releasing the power too early.
post #14 of 57
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Re: My swing (shortstop20)

I don't doubt that I may be turning the face over in a vain attempt to square the face, but I'm certainly not flipping the head in front of my hands, nor is the clubhead ahead of my hands at impact.
LL
post #15 of 57

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I like your old swing better -- looked like the beginning of a solid one-plane swing: smooth and athletic. Now, it looks like you're half-way between a one-plane and two-plane swing. The top of backswing position and downswing are just... meh.
post #16 of 57
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I changed it because the hook was killing me, there's many things from the old swing that I'd like to get back to, but others that I don't want back.

Once I get back to the point that I'm making better contact, I can work on those things.

It's a work in progress, I'm not scared to get worse before I get better.........and I'm confident that I will get better than ever.
post #17 of 57

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i agree with this actually.....the older swing seemed so much simpler.

regardless of either swing, your swing is certainly good enough to be better then a 14 handicap...
post #18 of 57
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Originally Posted by CG031 View Post
regardless of either swing, your swing is certainly good enough to be better then a 14 handicap...
I don't even have an actual handicap. 14 is an estimate and that was put up last year with my old swing. I was a terrible putter at that time.
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