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post #19 of 60
6/16/10 at 2:19am

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Originally Posted by iacas View Post
Who's maintaining less than a 90 degree angle? I'm looking for 135 to 150 degrees or so... and for that angle to be maintained. Your add a little bit on the backswing and a little comes out on the downswing, but it's not wrist cock we're talking about here. The right wrist doesn't cock - that's for the left wrist to do. And in the follow through you re-hinge the club.
Now that makes much more sense.
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post #20 of 60
6/16/10 at 2:34am

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Originally Posted by iacas View Post
Who's maintaining less than a 90 degree angle? I'm looking for 135 to 150 degrees or so... and for that angle to be maintained. Your add a little bit on the backswing and a little comes out on the downswing, but it's not wrist cock we're talking about here. The right wrist doesn't cock - that's for the left wrist to do. And in the follow through you re-hinge the club.
At the top of the back swing im at least 90 degree maybe even more like 80. The wedge angle gets smaller as you progress from address to top of the back swing and the opposite is true on the downswing.

just trying to clarify here . Looking to maintain 135 to 150? Don't you mean achieve 135 to 150 AT impact?? Maintaining a 135 to 150 angle throughout the entire swing would be pretty powerless.

I'm sure you agree, I'm just checking as you are likely the most knowledgeable instructor on this site.

edit: i really like that flying wedge drill btw. I used it today at the range after I hit a fat shot knowing it was due to not getting my hips and weight forward enough. after that i hit about 10 towering nine irons in a row to 15 feet. Love improving at this game!!
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post #21 of 60
6/16/10 at 2:49am
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Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Originally Posted by Paz View Post
At the top of the back swing im at least 90 degree maybe even more like 80.
Your wrist must be incredibly flexible. Regardless, it shouldn't go to more than about 150 degrees... more below...

Originally Posted by Paz View Post
just trying to clarify here . Looking to maintain 135 to 150? Don't you mean achieve 135 to 150 AT impact?? Maintaining a 135 to 150 angle throughout the entire swing would be pretty powerless.
I'm saying - once you hit 135 to 150, maintain it. As in if it goes to 90 on the backswing and into the transition, that's fine. It'll go from 90 to 135 or 150 or so around impact, and then maintain it.

Originally Posted by Paz View Post
edit: i really like that flying wedge drill btw. I used it today at the range after I hit a fat shot knowing it was due to not getting my hips and weight forward enough. after that i hit about 10 towering nine irons in a row to 15 feet. Love improving at this game!!
Good to hear. That drill is two kind of rolled into one - weight forward and "hit fast, stop fast" while maintaining the wedge. In that sense it's almost three drills.
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post #22 of 60
6/16/10 at 3:28am

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

so today i went and played in my tuesday scramble, and on my iron shots i'm thinking, ''maintain the wedge.'' and every time i hit a long iron i ended up pushing the ball dead right. very solid shots, just 30 yards right of the hole. i think my hands were too far forward.
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post #23 of 60
6/16/10 at 3:55am

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Originally Posted by senorchipotle View Post
so today i went and played in my tuesday scramble, and on my iron shots i'm thinking, ''maintain the wedge.'' and every time i hit a long iron i ended up pushing the ball dead right. very solid shots, just 30 yards right of the hole. i think my hands were too far forward.
What do you want to hear?

You were doing it wrong. Video?

You should be able to do that drill Erik posted (one of my favorite drills) and hit push draws all day.
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post #24 of 60
6/16/10 at 4:03am

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Originally Posted by Phil McGlenno View Post
What do you want to hear?

You were doing it wrong. Video?

You should be able to do that drill Erik posted (one of my favorite drills) and hit push draws all day.
didn't have time to make a vid today, but i tried the drill erik posted yesterday as well and i was still throwing them out right as well. what do i want to hear? i wanna hear whatever you can tell me that'll get me to straighten out my long irons.
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post #25 of 60
6/16/10 at 11:09am

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Originally Posted by iacas View Post
The flying wedge - you could rotate and maintain it but it's incredibly awkward to do so
That's what the TGM imperatives teach. Monitor lag pressure to regulate aggressive rotation.

There is another method called 'containment' where the power package geometry is maintained from transition down to club parallel. By leading the downswing with the right shoulder contained by an expanded right side. Feels like OTT, but it isn't because the clubhead stays back.
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post #26 of 60
6/16/10 at 12:56pm

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Originally Posted by senorchipotle View Post
so today i went and played in my tuesday scramble, and on my iron shots i'm thinking, ''maintain the wedge.'' and every time i hit a long iron i ended up pushing the ball dead right. very solid shots, just 30 yards right of the hole. i think my hands were too far forward.
It's possible your swing was, say, 10* in to out and your clubface was also 10* open, which would cause a straight push. Going my that logic ****slightly**** closing the face should produce a push draw. But I'm just guessing, I have no way of knowing what your swing actually was.
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post #27 of 60
6/16/10 at 4:07pm
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Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Originally Posted by senorchipotle View Post
didn't have time to make a vid today, but i tried the drill erik posted yesterday as well and i was still throwing them out right as well. what do i want to hear? i wanna hear whatever you can tell me that'll get me to straighten out my long irons.
You probably over-rotated on the takeaway and then didn't rotate on the downswing. The idea would be to not rotate (or flip) in either situation. If you were hitting pushes, your clubface was far too open for the swing path.
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post #28 of 60
6/18/10 at 11:08am

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

What is the difference between the Flying Wedge and lag?

Do the wrists bend different ways? I'm a bit confused here, since you say we can maintain the flying wedge, but not lag. Exactly what are these positions? Illustrations or video would help.
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post #29 of 60
6/18/10 at 12:40pm
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Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Originally Posted by Zeph View Post
What is the difference between the Flying Wedge and lag?

Do the wrists bend different ways? I'm a bit confused here, since you say we can maintain the flying wedge, but not lag. Exactly what are these positions? Illustrations or video would help.
I'll give you the quick answer since I think that's all you'll need... They're related but different.

Your left wrist cocks and your right wrist hinges. Lag is much more about the left wrist cock than the right wrist hinge.

I can cock my left wrist without changing the flying wedge at all. You can too - your right elbow might bend a little (since your right hand is down on the shaft and cocking the left wrist will bring the right hand closer to your body) - and that's the difference.
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post #30 of 60
6/18/10 at 6:26pm

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Think I got it now! Knowing the terminology and what really to do helps.

This looks correct?

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post #31 of 60
7/10/10 at 2:18am

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Is it OK to have some shaft lean at address and maintain that wrist angle/wedge on the backswing or is it better to create the wedge on the downswing?
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post #32 of 60
7/10/10 at 2:51am

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

You'll want to set that at address ( especially if you are shaping shots ) and maintain the angle of the wedge through the swing. The left wrist hinge should build during the backswing, unload into impact and re hine on follow through.
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post #33 of 60
8/24/10 at 5:15pm

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Originally Posted by Zeph View Post
Think I got it now! Knowing the terminology and what really to do helps.

This looks correct?

Nice Graphic
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post #34 of 60
8/24/10 at 6:54pm
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Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Originally Posted by Zeph View Post
This looks correct?

Technically that left wrist isn't uncocked there. It's just at its normal position. Uncocked would have the arm position the same with the shaft level or even downward a bit.

But aside from that little niggle, yeah, it's correct.
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post #35 of 60
8/24/10 at 7:11pm

Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Erik, I know the side angle in the right wrist should be maintained through impact, but what happens to it after that? S&T uses the term "rehinging" after impact, but I've never been quite clear what that means, exactly. At which point after impact are the wrists fully unhinged and what is the full finish position supposed to be?
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post #36 of 60
8/24/10 at 7:27pm
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Re: Maintaining the Flying Wedge

Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
Erik, I know the side angle in the right wrist should be maintained through impact, but what happens to it after that? S&T uses the term "rehinging" after impact, but I've never been quite clear what that means, exactly. At which point after impact are the wrists fully unhinged and what is the full finish position supposed to be?
The flying wedge is ideally maintained through to the finish. You just re-cock the club, basically.
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