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post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post

 

It's also not very far at all. Seriously, there's no comparison between his swing length and how long your swing goes on. His hands go up an extra, what, 3-4 inches?

 

Ya.. I know.. That's why I put up his shot and not mine.. The reason I revived a thread from 2009 is because I went searching for it; this is  because I know I am overswinging and I was just putting up an example of how someone can get to the top of the swing without overswinging like my self.. so, ya.. I wasn't comparing his and my swing :)

 

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You? Your sequencing is off.

You've not hinged the club, you've not turned as much as you should, and then you continue your backswing

 

 

So to go back to your original paragraph (the last one I quoted):

1) Yes, your torso turn should be nearly complete by about A3.

2) Yes, your wrists should be hinged/cocked/whatever by about A3.

3) Yes, your arms (and torso) will continue on a little bit longer, but not very much.

 

I want to thank you for the quick look at my swing & for the tips.. I will work on those.. Maybe because I'm not hinged I just keep on swinging back?  I don't know.. Or it could be that I need that extra time coming down to be able to get the club face to a position where I won't hit that push (specially with a driver)..

 

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What if your 3/4 swing IS a full swing, and what you do after that is doing nothing positive (and may even be doing negative) things?

 

Someone with reasonably good mechanics who just overswings could be just fine hitting what feel like 3/4 length backswings. Many people will actually do this and hit the ball farther than what they think is their "full swing" (but which is really an overswing).

 

Or let me put it this way: too many golfers think their full swing is as much as they can do, when really that's like a 1 1/4 swing, or a 5/3 swing. Their "3/4" swing is only a 3/4 swing on a scale that goes to 15 when it should stop at 10.

 

 

If that was the case with my 3/4 swing then I take back everything I said and I would do it.

 

The thing is with me though when I mentioned the advice, I have tried all of them and they haven't worked for me.. Maybe if the message was delivered in a different way the advice would make more sense.. Like hinging the wrist at the A3 position for example.. that's something I can implement.. but tell me to swing easy and I'll probably just not know what to do :)

 

Thanks again though.. I learned something!

post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by Abu3baid View Post
 

I know I am overswinging and I was just putting up an example of how someone can get to the top of the swing without overswinging like my self

 

OK.

 

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I want to thank you for the quick look at my swing & for the tips.. I will work on those.. Maybe because I'm not hinged I just keep on swinging back?  I don't know.. Or it could be that I need that extra time coming down to be able to get the club face to a position where I won't hit that push (specially with a driver)..

 

Yes, the club isn't as far along as it should be, so you keep going until it is, and then in trying to keep going until it is, you overdo it.

 

And no, you probably hit a big push because your left hand grip is super weak. :)

 

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The thing is with me though when I mentioned the advice, I have tried all of them and they haven't worked for me.

 

  1. That doesn't mean they're nonsense.
  2. I would actually bet that you didn't actually do them correctly. Very few people do things correctly when they're just doing them on their own.
 
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but tell me to swing easy and I'll probably just not know what to do :)

 

I don't want anyone to swing easy. Shorter is not the same as easier.

post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post

 

 

You? Your sequencing is off.

 

You've not hinged the club, you've not turned as much as you should, and then you continue your backswing

 

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Originally Posted by Abu3baid View Post

 

 

I want to thank you for the quick look at my swing & for the tips.. I will work on those.. Maybe because I'm not hinged I just keep on swinging back?  I don't know.. Or it could be that I need that extra time coming down to be able to get the club face to a position where I won't hit that push (specially with a driver)..

 

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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 

 

Yes, the club isn't as far along as it should be, so you keep going until it is, and then in trying to keep going until it is, you overdo it.

 

And no, you probably hit a big push because your left hand grip is super weak. :)

 

 

Sounds familiar ;-)  Obviously agree with Erik, going to make it much easier to hinge more if the grip is correct.  Like I said, wrist can't support the loading of the club.

 

http://thesandtrap.com/t/69581/my-swing-abu3baid/54#post_934362

 

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This is @mvmac

 

The left picture is basically very close to the point where his shoulder has stopped turning at 90*.. Then from that point you can see that his arms go basically straight up with out any further shoulder turn until I'm assuming all the pressure is built up and at that point where I have the blue line is when the transition into the downswing starts for him..

 

I'm a former "over-swinger", used to go past parallel on a 7 iron.  Here's the cliff notes version to how I made it better.

 

- Improved my sequencing.  Good drill to do this is by practicing with tees in each arm pit and turn the torso close to 90 by the time you get to A3.  So if my arms start to load/lift at a different rate than my pivot, the tees will come out.

 

Swing from last weekend, can see I'm close to 90* by A3 and then I keep "stretching" to A4 with the "tees" still in.

- Also doing this

 Steady Head Drill and How Painting Mental Pictures can Help your Swing 

post #22 of 28

From the perspective of a golfer who needs to stop overswingin'...

 

Erik speaks nuthin' but the truth.

post #23 of 28

Hell, I still need to stop over-swinging.

post #24 of 28
I took a lesson from a reputed pro last spring and all we worked on wasmy over swing. He told me I over swing because of a improper coil. Some people say, "just don't take it back as far" well you cant if you coil properly!!! Its pretty darn hard to know when/where to stop in your backswing when you aren't coiling anything.
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 

Hell, I still need to stop over-swinging.

 

 

Phhtttt, shoulda seen me today. Made the Mistake of playing 9 holes with my Son, after a 10 yr layoff, and have only been to the range, 5 times..I made 1 good putt, and hit 2 decent pW's out of 2 par 4's and the rest par 3's...Uhh

post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by mvmac View Post

 

- Also doing this

 Steady Head Drill and How Painting Mental Pictures can Help your Swing 

 

 

Great Drill.

 

When I finally turn my body before I bend down it gives me a really good feel of how my wrists are hinged at that moment in time.  It made it easier for me when I start my backswing to really try and get back to that position.  The only thing I can say is that I feel like I am really flat though, and maybe that is because I am still not going down enough with my shoulders on the turn...  

 

I can see and feel that I am not reaching for something more once my arms get to A3 (but I know I am still)..  I really think this drill can help many over swingers like my self!

post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by jclark View Post

I took a lesson from a reputed pro last spring and all we worked on wasmy over swing. He told me I over swing because of a improper coil. Some people say, "just don't take it back as far" well you cant if you coil properly!!! Its pretty darn hard to know when/where to stop in your backswing when you aren't coiling anything.

 

Yes the pivot is a very important piece.  I was just helping a guy the other day who was really struggling with contact, good player 2 handicap.  He would stop turning halfway through his backswing and just lifted the arms, club actually got past parallel.  So "just swing shorter" would be the worst advice in the world for him.  Gave him some basic stuff and he won a bunch of skins yesterday ;-) 

post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by mvmac View Post
 

 

Yes the pivot is a very important piece.  I was just helping a guy the other day who was really struggling with contact, good player 2 handicap.  He would stop turning halfway through his backswing and just lifted the arms, club actually got past parallel.  So "just swing shorter" would be the worst advice in the world for him.  Gave him some basic stuff and he won a bunch of skins yesterday ;-) 

 

Indeed. In fact, I'll revise my earlier statement.

 

Far too many people:

  • Lack enough torso turn while simultaneously
  • Overswinging with their arms.

 

If you lack enough torso turn, you'd truly have a 1/2 or 3/4 swing or something. So really, when talking about overswinging, we should be more clear: most people overswing with their arms.

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