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post #235 of 541
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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post

I'm not arguing anything, just saying that the pros left wrist at impact and beyond is flat and firm which is not the case in the OP's video suggesting a flipping action.
Even in a Phil flop shot vid he refers to the flat wrist rather than a flippy one which will thin the shot.I won't post that vid since I sense this observation I am making is not very popular.

Yep you are right...


post #236 of 541
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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post
 

I really have never seen a pitching instruction that suggests wrist breakdown is alright,just the opposite

 

Now you have.

 

Key point: we're not suggesting the wrists "break down" prior to impact. They're in the process, but as I pointed out in a post you seem to have missed, look at 3:15 of the video in the thread I linked to. Shaft is forward leaning and inline, but quickly passes.

 

Here's an even higher pitch later on:

 

 

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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post
 

The speed required comes from allowing the body to turn through.Any wrist breakdown means tricky timing and inconsistent strikes (fat & thin).A cupped wrist after impact indicates the wrist was in the process of breaking down as it approached impact.

 

The speed cannot come entirely from the body. You can't generate quite enough speed and your motion would have to be quite a bit longer.

 

Wrist breakdown does not mean "tricky timing." Nor do I particularly care for the word "breakdown."

 

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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post
 

Let's be sure we are both talking the impact position and just after...there is a wrist breakdown in the video .Here is Trevino on it...the chip & pitch techniques being the same.

 

Lee is also quite wrong about what causes spin, and he's taking divots and hitting running chip shots. He's not hitting pitches.

 

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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post
 

OK...but I will say the guys in the video are working off a fluffy lie,if that was a tighter lie I think their technique would have trouble.In one of the shots I thought the guy hit a fat shot but the club managed to get under the ball because of the cushion he had,it would have be a skulled shot on a tighter lie.

 

Incorrect - I've demonstrated hitting this shot off sidewalks, driveways, and other hard surfaces, and have had great success demonstrating it to others as well.

 

When your AoA is close to 0°, the club GLIDES along the ground for quite a long period of time.

 

I can hit balls off the practice green and the superintendent won't even know I was there. I practice all the time off the super hardpan office carpeting (no pile, basically) behind our hitting stations. It gives a millimeter or two, but not much more.

 
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The flippy wrist is a major problem in full or partial shots for non-pros.

 

The wrist isn't flippy prior to impact. The hinging and unhinging add speed.

 

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Originally Posted by Jakester23 View Post

Your completely wrong about the tight lies. I use this technique off any lie inside of 50 yards. Honestly you have probably never heard of this shot and have no idea how proficient it is. I used to use the Trevino technique until learned this one. The technique here is a iPhone compared to a rotary phone (Trevino's being the rotary).

 

QFT. And Trevino wasn't exactly known for his pitching. Great ball striker. Lots of shaft lean. Not a great pitcher of the golf ball.

 

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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post
 

Ok all ,but I think you'll find all the teaching vids really shy away from any short game wristy action.That left wrist wanting to cup at impact is the big hurdle that separates the Ams from Pros.

 

That statement is more true than you realize… but in the opposite direction from what you intended to say.

 

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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post
 

Jakester....you'll see TW keeping that left wrist flat and firm on through impact.

 

From the video I posted a page or two ago:

 

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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 

That video shows chipping. We'd agree entirely with that idea when it comes to chipping.

 

This thread is about pitching, and I'll point out that in the video of myself hitting pitches, the shaft lines up with the lead arm pretty well: Erik Hitting a Few Chips and Pitches .

 

Look at 3:15 or so in that video: despite hitting a pitch, the shaft lines up with the lead shoulder pretty well.

 

Also, check that out.

post #237 of 541
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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post
 

 

 

OK...but I will say the guys in the video are working off a fluffy lie,if that was a tighter lie I think their technique would have trouble.In one of the shots I thought the guy hit a fat shot but the club managed to get under the ball because of the cushion he had,it would have be a skulled shot on a tighter lie.

The flippy wrist is a major problem in full or partial shots for non-pros.

 

Ok, it's cold and rainy today.  I'm working from home and a little bored.  Please forgive the jeans, tee-shirt and flip flops....I just grabbed a club and ran out front.

 

 

This is a 56* SW with 14* of bounce.  1/2" plywood.  Not that nice fluffy plywood either.  ;-)

 

That green shrub is about 35 yds away.  2 nice little pitches just short of it.  Both would have checked immediately on a green.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm no pro.  Just a normal schlub allowing the bounce on the club to work the way it was intended.

post #238 of 541
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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post
 

I really have never seen a pitching instruction that suggests wrist breakdown is alright,just the opposite

 

Then I guess you have never seen/heard Phil Rogers, Mac O'Grady, Seve, Stan Utley, James Sieckmann or Gabriel Hjertstedt 

 

That @iacas guy knows his stuff too ;-) 

post #239 of 541

Iacas, & David in FL...thanks for the input.All I can say is that pros have firm non-flipping left wrists at impact and I will go with Mickelson and Trevino on this.Like the putting action,the wrists need to be taken out of the equation thus removing the flippy inconsistencies.This is why you see reverse overlap grips in not only putting but suggested by some instructors for chipping or short pitching.

post #240 of 541
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post
 

 

Ok, it's cold and rainy today.  I'm working from home and a little bored.  Please forgive the jeans, tee-shirt and flip flops....I just grabbed a club and ran out front.

 

 

This is a 56* SW with 14* of bounce.  1/2" plywood.  Not that nice fluffy plywood either.  ;-)

 

That green shrub is about 35 yds away.  2 nice little pitches just short of it.  Both would have checked immediately on a green.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm no pro.  Just a normal schlub allowing the bounce on the club to work the way it was intended.

 

 

 

 

I like the stare you give the video before you take your swing. I am thinking you are thinking, "Hey you watch this". 

 

Awesome job though. When you hit a good pitch shot you get that very short clip sound that the club really picks the ball off the ground. 

post #241 of 541
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post
 

 

Ok, it's cold and rainy today.  I'm working from home and a little bored.  Please forgive the jeans, tee-shirt and flip flops....I just grabbed a club and ran out front.

 

 

This is a 56* SW with 14* of bounce.  1/2" plywood.  Not that nice fluffy plywood either.  ;-)

 

That green shrub is about 35 yds away.  2 nice little pitches just short of it.  Both would have checked immediately on a green.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm no pro.  Just a normal schlub allowing the bounce on the club to work the way it was intended.


Funny thing is that I actually prefer a lie like that over all others. I am rarely ever going to mess up a shot off of a hard thin lie. The only problem I have is in trying to convince other people in a scramble group when we have a ball on baked out hard pan (if I've never played with them before) that I've got this shot.

post #242 of 541
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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post

Iacas, & David in FL...thanks for the input.All I can say is that pros have firm non-flipping left wrists at impact and I will go with Mickelson and Trevino on this.Like the putting action,the wrists need to be taken out of the equation thus removing the flippy inconsistencies.This is why you see reverse overlap grips in not only putting but suggested by some instructors for chipping or short pitching.
Dude, really, c'mon now, people have posted pics of pros demonstrating the exact principles that Iacas and others are espousing. Look up thread at the multiple pics of pros unhinging through impact, Tiger Woods included.
post #243 of 541
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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones View Post


Dude, really, c'mon now, people have posted pics of pros demonstrating the exact principles that Iacas and others are espousing. Look up thread at the multiple pics of pros unhinging through impact, Tiger Woods included.

Gotta love it when someone has made up their mind like that.  I'm done.

post #244 of 541
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Originally Posted by cipher View Post

Gotta love it when someone has made up their mind like that.  I'm done.
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post #245 of 541
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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones View Post


Dude, really, c'mon now, people have posted pics of pros demonstrating the exact principles that Iacas and others are espousing. Look up thread at the multiple pics of pros unhinging through impact, Tiger Woods included.

Is there something wrong with what Mickelson and Trevino have shown.I did not realize that there was such a big blind spot when it comes to flipping the wrists at impact.This includes the full swing as well.Am I the only one that thinks flipping the club at impact is a common  AM problem that PROs don't have.

post #246 of 541
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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post

Is there something wrong with what Mickelson and Trevino have shown.I did not realize that there was such a big blind spot when it comes to flipping the wrists at impact.This includes the full swing as well.Am I the only one that thinks flipping the club at impact is a common  AM problem that PROs don't have.
Sorry, this is top secret information.

Carry on with your usual method.
post #247 of 541
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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones View Post


Sorry, this is top secret information.

Carry on with your usual method.

 

The first rule right :-D

post #248 of 541
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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones View Post


Dude, really, c'mon now, people have posted pics of pros demonstrating the exact principles that Iacas and others are espousing. Look up thread at the multiple pics of pros unhinging through impact, Tiger Woods included.

 

LOL yeah go with what players say they do, not what they actually do

 

post #249 of 541

Check out what Phil says at the 1:01 mark about the wrist in a flop shot

 

post #250 of 541
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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post
 

Check out what Phil says at the 1:01 mark about the wrist in a flop shot

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ophbTUY7s

OH MY GOD!!!!!!

post #251 of 541
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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post

Check out what Phil says at the 1:01 mark about the wrist in a flop shot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ophbTUY7s
No, I'm good thanks. Stick with your method, it's what the pros all think they are doing.
post #252 of 541
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Originally Posted by freedrop View Post
 

Check out what Phil says at the 1:01 mark about the wrist in a flop shot

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ophbTUY7s

 

Again, what he says is not what he actually does. Check out those Trevino pics I posted.

 

Demonstrating on the left, real shot on the right. Can see how quickly the club/shaft passes.

 

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