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De-loft or not de-loft iron during swing??

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I have been battling the issue with forward press (delofting the iron) for the last 1 year. I've taken some lesson from a pro, and he recommended some forward press on my iron swing. I notice that when i'm swinging well, the forward press will allow my ball flight to be lower, and make me the longest iron hitter among my buddies (e.g. 7 iron goes 165 yards). However, i also realize that having forward press also means that my grip tend to be strong, and on the day when i'm not swinging well, the strong grip is causing a big duck hook on iron shots.

Recently, i have changed to a more neutral grip and a "non-forward press" swing. The advantage of this is that the ball is going a lot straighter, but i seem to be losing up to 10-15 yards on distance per club.

Should i continue down this path and just use longer club for every shot?

Thanks.
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Re: De-loft or not de-loft iron during swing??

I use a variation of the Hogan 5 Lessons swing.

Hogan recommended addressing the iron shot with the club straight up and down, and then doing a waggle. The waggle supposedly would set the hands forward a bit, and encouraging hitting down on the ball.

Similar to you, I had problems on days I was not swinging well. Sometimes the waggle would not really set the hands in front of the ball, and I ended up picking the shot clean, or scooping the ball (casting?)

This spring I went to a forward press set-up with a waggle, and seem to be getting more consistent hits.

Also, I would suggest that the forward press and the too-strong grip are separate, but related issues.

very handicap asked....
... Should i continue down this path and just use longer club for every shot?
As one middle handicapper to another, I would suggest you consider going with whichever one will help your game and scoring the most. If we had time each week to hit the range three times and play 36 holes, we could work on more hole-to-hole variations in our game. But I (and probably you) don't have that much golf time.

If your area courses reward height and bite on your approach shots, I would sacrifice the distance and hit the extra club. If you have a lot of wind to contend with, you might want to continue with the delofting (especially if you have trouble with ballooning short iron shots).
post #3 of 14

Re: De-loft or not de-loft iron during swing??

When you don't do the forward press, do you scoop? Hit it fat? Don't hit down on the ball? What was the reasoning behind the pro telling you to do the forward press?
post #4 of 14

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EVERY crisp iron shot has the hands slightly ahead of the ball at impact... every one. Shaft flex does some of this for you, but your swing should add to this slightly. Not a two or three inch "forward press" at impact but somewhere between 0 and maybe 2, 2 /1/2?

It will be different for various irons, shots, and of course handicaps.
post #5 of 14

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I started doing a slight forward press with my irons and, dam. I am getting more consistent ball flight, better contact,and the added distance is just a bonus.
post #6 of 14

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I only "purposely" deloft my irons when I'm punching out of the trees and need a way lower trajectory.. Other than that I don't consciously try to create more or less loft on normal swings.
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Originally Posted by bkoguy07 View Post
I only "purposely" deloft my irons when I'm punching out of the trees and need a way lower trajectory.. Other than that I don't consciously try to create more or less loft on normal swings.
I find forward pressing to cure hooks for me. Its hard to flip at the ball with your hands forward.
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Originally Posted by laconic517 View Post
I find forward pressing to cure hooks for me. Its hard to flip at the ball with your hands forward.
True, I see where you are coming from but I don't suffer much from hooks :)
post #9 of 14

Re: De-loft or not de-loft iron during swing??

De-lofting irons helps me get more of a hip slide/turn in before actually hitting the ball. It helps my meager distance a bit by letting me use my body a bit more to generate more clubhead speed.
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Originally Posted by Bryan SD2 View Post
EVERY crisp iron shot has the hands slightly ahead of the ball at impact... every one.
yup. thats what i was going to say more or less
post #11 of 14

Re: De-loft or not de-loft iron during swing??

Originally Posted by very handicap View Post
I've taken some lesson from a pro, and he recommended some forward press on my iron swing. I notice that when i'm swinging well, the forward press will allow my ball flight to be lower, and make me the longest iron hitter among my buddies (e.g. 7 iron goes 165 yards). However, i also realize that having forward press also means that my grip tend to be strong, and on the day when i'm not swinging well, the strong grip is causing a big duck hook on iron shots.
Fix your grip, then!

Excellent players all have their hands ahead of the ball at impact. The pro was right to try to help you build that into your swing. If there are problems that arise while you correct your swing, address the problems rather than giving up on the proper swing.

-Andrew
post #12 of 14

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Doesn't it also depend on the club? Good players will tend to deloft short irons but add loft to long irons in order to optimize their launch conditions with both.
post #13 of 14

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I add loft if I need a mid iron to get up and carry (with a slight help wind) and land soft.
I de-loft if I'm keeping it low and out of the wind, or punching, or bump-and-running.
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I just started using a forward press at setup this past week, and it improved my ball striking significantly. I was hitting everything crisp and for good, consistent distance. I feel that it is a good trigger for my back swing, and helps me create enough lag on my swing. It did start to get a little too forward in the later holes, and cost me a little consistency, but I still got myself in good positions around the green.

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