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Most overrated shots that always get talked about

post #1 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:18pm
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I was just looking at the "best long iron shots" thread and somebody mentioned Phil's 6-iron from the trees - which I think ranks as one of the most overrated "great" shots that always get talked about. Here's the link:



What was hard about that shot? He had a clean lie on the pine straw, a completely clear line to the hole and for someone who has the skill to play on tour, there was nothing hard about that shot (major pressure, excluded). He even mishit it a bit because as "ballsy" as that shot was, no way he was trying to land that just over the creek.

Any others you can think of?
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post #2 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:22pm

Re: Most overrated shots that always get talked about

Originally Posted by chriskzoo View Post
I was just looking at the "best long iron shots" thread and somebody mentioned Phil's 6-iron from the trees - which I think ranks as one of the most overrated "great" shots that always get talked about. Here's the link:



What was hard about that shot? He had a clean lie on the pine straw, a completely clear line to the hole and for someone who has the skill to play on tour, there was nothing hard about that shot (major pressure, excluded). He even mishit it a bit because as "ballsy" as that shot was, no way he was trying to land that just over the creek.

Any others you can think of?
I completely agree....it was a good shot, no doubt about it, from the fairway it would of been a great shot.....but I have serious doubt he wanted to play it exactly like that.

And you're right, he had a great lie, and a clear shot.

But it is over rated.
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post #3 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:31pm

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Is this a "Who hates Phil?" thread?

The drama of that shot wasn't because of the actual shot - any one of us could make that shot - the drama was because of the situation and the track record of the player. Everyone was 1/2 expecting that ball to drop in the water because that's what Phil does - shoot himself in the foot. The people who don't cheer agains Phil (I'm undecided) were excited.

Tiger's 6-iron from the bunker at the Canadian Open was overrated too - the tournament was locked up, he had nothing to lose, he had a perfect lie, and he over shot the green because he didn't want to flirt with the water. Boring.
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post #4 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:31pm

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Yeah sure, it was just a run-of-the-mill easy six iron. That's why the first words out of the commentators' mouths were: "An unbelievable shot by Mickelson! Absolutely incredible! The greatest shot of his life ... must be! Wow!"
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post #5 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:31pm

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I think it was a great shot and not overated. How many paces of green did he have to work with, three maybe? The creek had to be cleared and he didn't go past the flag and was close enought for an eagle putt. He had to put enough spin on it to stop as well. All with the pressure of a Master's Championship riding on it. He could have laid up and took a wedge in for a birdie putt, but he took a risk.

On the other hand, Phil makes me crazy. He's always HAVING to make a great recovery shot because his first was off line!!!
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post #6 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:33pm

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You guys are insane. That shot was ridiculous. You probably think YE Yang's hybrid draw into the pin was easy too.
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post #7 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:36pm

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Originally Posted by Jay-Bird View Post
You guys are insane. That shot was ridiculous. You probably think YE Yang's hybrid draw into the pin was easy too.
Actually that one I do think is overrated, but only because I think his chip-in earlier in the round was a better shot.
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post #8 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:36pm

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That shot would be a lot better for me if he made the putt. Missing it takes a little away from it.
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post #9 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:38pm

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Originally Posted by ugottabjoshinme View Post
That shot would be a lot better for me if he made the putt. Missing it takes a little away from it.
Making the putt does sort of put an exclamationi point on the shot, doesn't it. Maybe that's why that particular shot garners so much debate.
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post #10 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:39pm

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Originally Posted by sean_miller View Post
The drama of that shot wasn't because of the actual shot - any one of us could make that shot - the drama was because of the situation and the track record of the player.
Sorry, no.
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post #11 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:46pm

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Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
Sorry, no.
Any one of the people who had commented at that point - even though we might have used a longer iron. Not saying we'd pull it off every time (even Phil wouldn't) but we "could" do it. It's a "hit and hope" shot. It's "possible".
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post #12 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:51pm

Re: Most overrated shots that always get talked about

Originally Posted by sean_miller View Post
Is this a "Who hates Phil?" thread?

The drama of that shot wasn't because of the actual shot - any one of us could make that shot - the drama was because of the situation and the track record of the player. Everyone was 1/2 expecting that ball to drop in the water because that's what Phil does - shoot himself in the foot. The people who don't cheer agains Phil (I'm undecided) were excited.

Tiger's 6-iron from the bunker at the Canadian Open was overrated too - the tournament was locked up, he had nothing to lose, he had a perfect lie, and he over shot the green because he didn't want to flirt with the water. Boring.
That's why it's over rated.

Perfect lie, he could put spin on it if he wanted, perfect distance for the club....and he WASN'T trying to play it like he did....I would say he was trying to get it on the center/back of the green....

It was luck, more than skill.
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post #13 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:54pm

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Originally Posted by Kieran123 View Post
That's why it's over rated.
Then I see your point - it was something you had to see live - in the moment. Justin Leonard's long putt during the Ryder cup in another context was just a flukey putt that any 40 handicap might make on any given Sunday.
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post #14 of 54
8/24/10 at 4:56pm

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Originally Posted by boogielicious View Post
I think it was a great shot and not overated. How many paces of green did he have to work with, three maybe? The creek had to be cleared and he didn't go past the flag and was close enought for an eagle putt. He had to put enough spin on it to stop as well. All with the pressure of a Master's Championship riding on it. He could have laid up and took a wedge in for a birdie putt, but he took a risk.

On the other hand, Phil makes me crazy. He's always HAVING to make a great recovery shot because his first was off line!!!
He had the whole green to work with, he mis-hit it and managed to get lucky. Creek was easy to clear with his lie he had, spin was easy because of the lie also.
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post #15 of 54
8/24/10 at 5:02pm

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Originally Posted by sean_miller View Post
Any one of the people who had commented at that point - even though we might have used a longer iron. Not saying we'd pull it off every time (even Phil wouldn't) but we "could" do it. It's a "hit and hope" shot. It's "possible".
But what you just said is true of any shot ever hit in the game of golf (except maybe the drives that are just longer than most of us can reach). For any given shot, sure, I might not be able to do it with that club, and sure, I couldn't do it every time, but I "could" do it. I wouldn't want to bet on how many tries I'd probably need, though.

-Andrew
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post #16 of 54
8/24/10 at 5:06pm

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I find it just amazing at all the people here who are experts on how to hit a 200 yard shot, over water, off pine straw, in the last round of a major championship. How many of you have even tried a full shot off pine straw? If you had, you would know that anything can happen, given the lie and the stance issues.

Lucky shot? Mishit shot? Overrated shot? Maybe I was watching a different Masters than you all, but I thought it was one of the best shots, given the situation, that I had ever seen.
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post #17 of 54
8/24/10 at 5:18pm

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Originally Posted by Harmonious View Post
I find it just amazing at all the people here who are experts on how to hit a 200 yard shot, over water, off pine straw, in the last round of a major championship. How many of you have even tried a full shot off pine straw? If you had, you would know that anything can happen, given the lie and the stance issues.

Lucky shot? Mishit shot? Overrated shot? Maybe I was watching a different Masters than you all, but I thought it was one of the best shots, given the situation, that I had ever seen.

At the time I thought so too, which is why I cheered at my TV, but apparently he actually mis-hit the shot, got lucky it was that close, and it was rather mundane since he missed the eagle putt.
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post #18 of 54
8/24/10 at 5:20pm

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I agree with a lot of the sentiment so far. Obviously that was a shot some of us would struggle with, but for a pro with a clean lie and a open line of sight, it wasn't has difficult as it was blown up to be. It was a good shot, not a great one.
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