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post #199 of 365
10/4/10 at 2:28am

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Monty sending out the first five matches was predictable.All the toughest match players in our team are there.Stricker has to be shell shocked and IMO Westwood even with the calf injury has been the best player in the world this year.Cink has putted best of the americans and he actually could take supermac as he has been a bit wild.Donald,Poulter,and Kaymer are very accurate players and I would expect them to win but as you know with these things someone unheralded in one of the matches from 6-12 will probably have a nervy 6 footer on 18 to win or get the half.Hopefully it won't be Francesco!!
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post #200 of 365
10/4/10 at 2:38am

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Originally Posted by jamo View Post
Favored by whom?
I second this, who exactly is favoring Phil? I understand Tiger doesn't exactly have his hands full with Molinari, especially considering he's played fairly well thus far. But sadly, Lefty has continued his less-than-impressive Ryder Cup play this year, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him lose, even to Hanson.
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post #201 of 365
10/4/10 at 2:42am

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Originally Posted by chriskzoo View Post
What does that even mean? Has Monty seen how Phil and Tiger have been hitting it this week? The goal of the Ryder Cup is to win, period. Why put a struggling Tiger up against a red hot Westwood? Makes no sense.
It's about psychology. If the United States is going to win tomorrow, it has to quickly neutralize the disadvantage of a partisan crowd that will be exceptionally rowdy for staying an extra day. Tiger may play well tomorrow, or he may not, but he would be capable of producing the momentum change the Americans need to win in ways that Stricker, Cink, or Furyk can't.
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post #202 of 365
10/4/10 at 3:15am

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Originally Posted by homerun79 View Post
Monday's play is on USA network 4AM EST, and TSN 4AM EST in Canada. Based on what I read on the ryder cup website, you should record about 8 hours to get everything.
So that means by the time I head to work (8am)...Stricker will be on hole 15-16 I imagine...Tiger probably on hole 10-11.

Hrm...maybe I will get up early to watch it.
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post #203 of 365
10/4/10 at 3:18am

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Originally Posted by nhwoj View Post
I second this, who exactly is favoring Phil? I understand Tiger doesn't exactly have his hands full with Molinari, especially considering he's played fairly well thus far. But sadly, Lefty has continued his less-than-impressive Ryder Cup play this year, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him lose, even to Hanson.
Phil is favored in Vegas, only because of his name though...I certainly wouldn't bet on him with the way he's been playing.
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post #204 of 365
10/4/10 at 4:33am

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I don't think Philly could even beat one of the Molinaris.
He's probably the worst player out of the 24 competing, with Dustin Johnson right behind him.

Pavin had those 2 together, and he kept mumbling to himself that they'd be alright.

I'm also not a fan of Pavin as a Captain.
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post #205 of 365
10/4/10 at 5:10am

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Originally Posted by muzz View Post
I don't think Philly could even beat one of the Molinaris.
He's probably the worst player out of the 24 competing, with Dustin Johnson right behind him.

Pavin had those 2 together, and he kept mumbling to himself that they'd be alright.

I'm also not a fan of Pavin as a Captain.
why are so many people bashing Pavin. He just seems very well collected. I think hes a good captain, better than monty IMO
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post #206 of 365
10/4/10 at 5:14am

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Originally Posted by motteler621 View Post
why are so many people bashing Pavin. He just seems very well collected. I think hes a good captain, better than monty IMO
He might be fun to go on a road trip with and then again he might "accidentally" get locked in a gas station washroom - it's hard to tell from what you see on TV. Some people think he's an arrogant douchebag, but if I was famous and my wife was a bittch I might be a little weird too.
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post #207 of 365
10/4/10 at 7:33am

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Originally Posted by MSDOGS1976 View Post
From the article:

Montgomerie struggled to contain his amazement – and delight – at Pavin’s bizarre selection decision.

“I am trying to be as diplomatic as possible throughout this week, and I continue to be that way,” said Montgomerie. “But it does surprise me that Match 8 and Match 10 contain the No. 1 and [No.] two in the world.”

The #1 player in the world has not played well this year. Phil not so much after the Masters. To me it seems crazy to have them going out early when you knew Montgomery would have his best up front. Perhaps he is disappointed that he didn't get the pairings he hoped for.
I dunno...I don't like the pairings at all...You're putting both Tiger & Phil against lesser knowns that with the momentum Europe has, will be trying to make names for themselves...Frankly it's high risk - low reward...If Tiger or Phil wins, yeah it's expected and there's little upside to that. But if they lose...that's devastating...

Personally I think they should be put against the Euro's top guns. I know they've been struggling this week, but both Tiger & Phil have the potential to elevate their games, inspire a comeback...I mean we've seen Tiger and Phil get hot (like Tiger in RD3 of the US Open) when they've been struggling and when they do, they're absolutely unbeatable...And if the US is going to comeback, either Tiger or Phil has to make a statement that the whole team can rally around...

As coach I think this is where Pavin's failed...You're supposed the get the most out of your players...I think with the pairings he's put out, he's not even putting Tiger or Phil in a position where Team USA can get the best of their abilities...Seriously disappointed
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post #208 of 365
10/4/10 at 8:01am

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Well, when the Americans run the table, Pavin will look like a champ!

2 minutes to go!
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post #209 of 365
10/4/10 at 8:18am

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Brilliant. Someone just shouted while it was all quiet when McIlroy was at the first tee:

"You got Big Mac, we got little Mac"
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post #210 of 365
10/4/10 at 8:34am

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Man.....I wish I was sitting in the first tee gallery with cup of spiked coffee. Those chaps are having big fun. Looks like a good day of drinking.


Looks like some heavy cool air, too. The guys will be constantly making adjustments all day. Looks like glorious weather is on the way later.


Americans are going to have to get busy....and fast. We are getting waxed. I'm scared of the the Donald/Furyk match.....
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post #211 of 365
10/4/10 at 8:43am

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Looks like there is a good turnup, despite being Monday.
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post #212 of 365
10/4/10 at 9:04am

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Originally Posted by Zeph View Post
Looks like there is a good turnup, despite being Monday.

Really great gallery. Folks are having fun watching the worlds best go at it.
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post #213 of 365
10/4/10 at 10:52am

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Euros looking they should wrap this up, but the Americans are starting to turn some matches. If Stricker can beat Westwood and get it on the board, that might demoralize some Euros
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post #214 of 365
10/4/10 at 11:32am
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With the current deficit, slots 5 to 8 as of 7:06 am is going to do the U.S. chances. Multiple 2 downs with the rookies struggling (like the EURO rookies did in 1997 Valderrama) and Woods in his singles match.

In 2008 the U.S. Rookies carried the day with Kim, Mahan, Weekley, Holmes, Stricker and Curtis.

Stricker made the Cup team as a captain and contributed in the team sessions but lost in singles. A relative "rookie" in his 40s.

Weekley is a good iron player in his 30s with a relaxed attitude in the room playing well that year but it may have been his only Ryder Cup appearance.

Curtis is also in his 30s and made the team late based on his PGA Championship performance and that may have been his only Cup appearance.

Both won their singles matches, with Boo putting on a clinic in the heat of the victory and Curtis tacking on a the end after the clinching.

After separating Stricker and perhaps 2 "one-off" members, 2.5 critical singles points were earned by:

JB Holmes who did a great job in his singles match and took advantage of the home team course set-up. Almost made the team this time, may get 1 more cup cap in his career.

Mahan whose not as flashy as Kim nor have the huge game as D. Johhnson, but will be a cup stalwart for years to come because at his best he a superb iron player, solid putter and aggressive by nature. (Lanny Wadkins possessed much of those qualities when he was clearly the best American matchplay man in the 80s)

As for Kim it's too bad how his season went for him and this U.S. squad. Kim at his best makes birdies in buckets and has a swagger and enthusiasm that seems to fit matchplay. But the EUROS were missing key components in 2008 due to injury too.

Just a little analysis/trip down memory lane about 2008 vs this year.
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post #215 of 365
10/4/10 at 12:20pm
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1 hour and that RyderCup.com projected score hasn't budged, still 16 to 12. That 3 point earned by the EUROS dominance in session 3 including that half point in that last alternate shot match is just so suffocating.

Furyk somehow has got to find a way to scratch out a half against Donald. Overton got to win his match and Fowler or Mahan has to either get a come from behind win or both scratch out halves.

The European four-ball dominance, oh what an advantage and the one thing U.S. captains haven't figured how to counter that yet.
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post #216 of 365
10/4/10 at 12:37pm

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Pretty sure this is going to go to the Euros unless Mahan can get hot. Fowler is 4 down and Watson is 3 down, so little chance there.

As for Fourballs, I think the US just overthinks itself on the course - they spend far too much time getting out of their own games (too much time reading putts, etc.) instead of just playing. Look at DJ and Mickelson today - why would they play any different in Fourballs?
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